B/c i could give a shit less where they are born!! Do we say the Dominican's dominate baseball?? Should we put a MLB team in the DR? Or the West dominates QB's, cause more QB's are born in the west then other places....

I just don't get what birth place to do with it all....just me...argued too much about Nascar today though, I'm at my quota for the month

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You go where the fans are. I have lived on the East and West coast and when I moved from NorCal to Virginia the difference in race fans was HUGE!!! (and yes I know NorCal is not exactly the NW)

And you have to remember how the sport was born too. A bunch of rednecks running moonshine and outrunning the cops in the South. Expansion would probably be good for the sport, but NASCAR is southern born, southern bred, and if there is one thing I have learned from living out here, southerners aren't ones to change their ways too easily.

Now I am not saying the NW doesn't deserve a race, I can just see why NASCAR is not exactly in that big of a hurry to put one there.

Dude, we get a quarter of a million people turn out for a silly boat race. We most certainly will easily sell out an event in the most popular race series in the country.

Is the Dominican Republic as wealthy as Seattle is? What about Kentucky? Oh, so it is smaller, poorer, produces no racers, and already is closer to dozens of races.

Thanks for making a great case for Seattle, indirectly.

We have so many good drivers out here because we like racing. It is big at all levels, except the Cup level, because we have no race! The only thing we are missing is a damn race! You folks back east have plenty of them, and we are still kicking your asses in "your" supposed sport.

NorCal isn't racing country. Go to the Central Valley or Inland Empire for Cali's race heartland.

And NW kids haven't been racing their suped up rides on beaches, and forest and farm roads?

Those southerners are getting their butts whipped. The west and Midwest have past the South.

They are in a hurry, haven't you been reading this thread? ISC = NASCAR for all practical purposes. They have been trying real hard for a half decade to get a track built up here (with a big govt. subsidy).

I did live in SoCal. Apple Valley, less than an hour from Fontana. The difference is still HUGE!!

sigh....whatever, doesn't matter what you or I think, it's what the numbers tell Nascar. There are so many races around here b/c folks in this area buy tickets! Blame your WC counter parts, they put on a poor showing for you. Move Sanoma north if you want a damn race, sounds like the best solution.

And it's the South's sport, sure the fock isn't mine. I watch, but it's far from my favorite sport. And "You" aren't kicking anyone's ass in the sport....guys on the major teams are. Hentrick, Roush, Gibbs, RCR. Those teams dominate the sport, not are region...tell me I'm wrong, how many races are won outside of the top 6 teams??? Get a gig with them and you can win, son't and you won't. And if you want a gig with them ,best case is to leave the NW, even your golden boy Kasey Kahne knew that, another one who made a name and got the attention of Nascar in the Midwest:
Notice, he didn't take the fill time plunge in Seattle Washington.....

You stated Gordon drove in Cali.....well year, when he was 5 ,and again, his family left for an area with more opportunities:
So if the west is so great, why do they all leave for the midwest for more opportunities??? You breed em, we'll train em.....

If they were in a hurry, i don't think they still woudl be trying over 5 yrs later......When I think of in a hurry, over half a decade doesn't come to mind....I think you just made var's point.

And the #s say Seattle, not Kentucky I guess. ISC didn't buy KY Speedway, but are actively trying to build a NW track.

Then why don't all the races sell out? We have zero races. ZERO.

Again, ISC is trying to build a track. Also, you can not compare CA with the NW. Again, Daytona Beach is just about the same distance away from Cincy as the closest cup race is to Seattle. So since Northern Ontario is poor at supporting NASCAR, Cincy shouldn't get a race. That's dumb logic.

That's one of the two road courses, that would be dumb. I suggest Atlanta #2. Atlanta is way close to Talladega, so 3 races should suffice.

Not anymore.

Who is Hentrick? NASCAR's most dominate team, Hendrick, might as well be called team California.

Kahne made his name in the NW. Biffle made his name in Europe. Neither are the south or Midwest.


How much higher could he go? Again, you are making my point for me. The only thing missing is the big leagues of racing. We have the grassroots level covered pretty well. How many Daytona 500 champions has your state bred?

Again, his dream was open wheel racing, not stock racing. Also, other than Indy, he could have stayed out west for open wheel opportunities, in Vancouver BC, just a few hours north of Seattle.... But Gordon isn't Canadian.




They dominate out here, then kick your asses, and then move on to the big leagues. Now that we have more races out here, expect more racers.

Again, they are looking for some public $. The problem so far has been them settling on the wrong location. They want to put the track in Belfair. Pull out a map and see why that location doesn't work. The Gov. wants the track at the Trans Alta site near Centralia, right off of I-5 almost halfway between Seattle and Portland.

ISC is still working to get a deal done. They are also exploring some Oregon options too. If they wanted to add a race to KY, they would have bought the track. Instead, they are focusing their efforts on tracks in NYC and the PNW.

lol, whatever man, enjoy your dream of a race in Seattle, sounds like you need it....

I'm just not real sure your going to get it as quick as your hoping. And the I'm not from the South, and not from the West. And despite drivers being born in the West and coming east to race, Nascar is still the South's sport. Why? B/c Nascar is a sport made by the fans, and the fans are still in the South. just check the ratings.

And I think more places like Seattle and Kentucky should have races before some of these tracks have 2. You get no argument from me there. But you can say Nascar wants a race up there and is trying to build a track, but if they really wanted it done, it would be done. it's just doesn't appear to be their top priority.

But hell, I'm being generous today since your loosing your NBA team, I say give Seattle a track... I'm now on your bandwagon

It won't be quick, hence this thread title. NASCAR is working hard to get something done, but since they are asking for a lot of public help, the process is slow.

Again, we don't have the big races, so of course they would have to come east. Again, you are making my point that we need a race up here. Also, I know you are not from the south, you are from Ohio, which isn't stock car country. That's probably why you think it is the south's sport. It isn't the south's sport. Upstate New York, Eastern Pennsylvania, Western Kentucky, Wisconsin, The Pacific Northwest, California's Central Valley; that ain't the south. Just because the big leagues of stock car racing was born decades ago in that corner of the country doesn't mean that it is that region's sport.



You can't build a massive track without the govt's help! Even if they were asking for less, they still would need infrastructure help. Since the Gov. election is close, and we are likely to get a new one, there is nothing they can do until January at the earliest.


We aren't losing our NBA team. Holy cow you are misinformed.

Well from what your telling me about the speed they are working on this, I'm glad they didn't. If being in a hurry is a decade plan, you can have ISC's support.

Speedway Motorsports inc., owner of 7 NASCAR tracks sure didn't buy Kentucky to have it be a Nationwide track. SMI is hoping to have a race in Kentucky in 2009, but I don't see that aggressive of a time frame occurring. SMI owns Atlanta and can move one of the two races to Kentucky, so there goes your Atlanta to PNW idea. SMI controls those races, and I doubt you'll see one taken from them. SMI is also looking into purchasing Pocono and moving one of their dates to Kentucky.

One way or another, it seems like SMI is a bit more aggressive on this then ISC. Hopefully we both get one and we can all be happy.

The only way they get a race is take take one away from one of their other tracks. They don't have the power ISC does to create new ones, or switch dates.

That makes sense especially if they build a NYC track.

I knew that was just the right bait Just giving you a hard time.

That's what the owner of SMI is fighting. They can have a race there next year, but he wants another race, not just one moved. ISC does have all the control, on that end. In the end, they'll put one these one way or another, and I don't care much who it comes from. Pocono and Atlants don't need 2, so it makes me no difference. But SMI is not going to loose one of their races either, so I doubt you'll see Atlanta moved to a non-SMI track.

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Doesn't bother me any. I am not one of those stupid Okies who committed fraud and likely will lose millions of dollars.

Court case starts next Monday! Er, court case #1. There are three of these suckers. The most damning one is the Schultz lawsuit, which will likely lead to the team to be sold to the CEOs of Microsoft and Costco. Also, we are only $75,000,000 short of an arena plan. The last step is to let the Safeco and Qwest financinf to end on time and apply the money towards the arena.

What I am most worried about is the lying Okies intentionally messing up the roster in an act of revenge, such as trading away our draft picks.

I just don't understand who in the right mind ever though Oklahoma St would be a good spot for a NBA team....

I think OKC could be a decent NBA market, but not over Seattle. They should wait for the Hornets to die their slow death in New Orleans.

ALL HAIL the Pacific Northwest, anyone who was born there, there much higher intellects and superior coffee.

I prefer our superior microbrews and wines to our overrated coffee that is grown thousands of miles away.