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07-15-2008, 11:55 PM
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#31 | | Outlaw
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Originally Posted by ExperiencedRookie If you really want the answer to that question do the swap.Spamming Retard- Imagine now that Chambers was playing for Atlanta, and Roddy playing for San Diego.Spamming Retard- Which one do you select? | | I'm takin the guy that's not competing for touches with LT and AG. In this case that man is Roddy White. |
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07-16-2008, 03:02 AM
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#32 | | BCS SUCKS Admin
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Donate | Both are probably decent options this year at their ADP, but I feel more comfortable with Chambers, not knowing what the QB situation will be like in Atlanta this year.
Chambers looked to be settling in pretty well in San Diego toward the end of the season, and in the playoffs, and he is a best WR option that the Chargers have had in a while. |
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07-16-2008, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by chrisslabaugh I deny that Chris Redman is a good NFL QB, I deny that Roddy White will have over 1000 yards receiving, I deny that White will get anywhere near the looks with the new rushing attack, I deny that he will be able to pick up the new offense, I believe that Roddy White=Michael Clayton and I believe that Chris Chambers puts up better numbers this year than White and in fact has a career year. I am done and I can't wait to come back to this thread and point it out to the White Kool-Aid drinkers. | | cool, but becareful here, cause I deny that chambers is consistant.
Here is what I have seen and found:
2001 - 16 games - 48 rec. - 883 yards - 7 Tds
2002 - 15 games - 52 rec. - 734 yards - 3 Tds
2003 - 16 games - 64 rec. - 963 yards - 11 Tds **
2004 - 15 games - 69 rec. - 898 yards - 7 Tds
2005 - 16 games - 82 rec. - 1118 yards - 11 Tds **
2006 - 16 games - 59 rec. - 677 yards - 4 Tds
2007 - 6 games - 31 rec. - 415 yards - 0 Tds
2008 - 10 games - 66 rec. - 970 yards - 4 Tds
I don't see any consistancy at all. I see a very up and down going toward the tail end of a career competing on a team that has better targets to throw to in Gates and Tomlinson.
White:
2005 - 16 games - 29 rec. - 446 yards - 3Tds
2006 - 16 games - 30 rec. - 506 yards - 0 Tds
2007 - 16 games - 83 rec. - 1202 yards - 6 Tds **
Now here is what I see. A young reciever, who improved in his third year, but more importantly, he stepped up when the team was down due to loss of the Qb in Vick. As for a more rush oriented in ATL, keep in mind that was the focus always in ATL. Vick was the lead carrier for the most part. But with Dunn hurt, the offense even with a "so - so" Qb in Redmon was able to produce a 1200 yard receiver...something Chambers has NEVER done.
Net, I will take the improving young Wr, who came out in his third year...than a notorious up and down receiver who is #3 option. |
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07-16-2008, 09:23 AM
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#34 | | Richest Vman Alive Forum Leader
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Donate | to everyone who calls roddy white the improving WR, be careful here. lots and lots of WRs, as we all know, have a breakout season in year two or three. and history says that most of them REGRESS the next year, at least stats wise. now that theyve broken out, defenses tend to pay some more attention to them and what not. so just because white busted out with 80/1200/6 does NOT mean that you should mark him down for 90/1300/8 this year. too often, this is one of the biggest statistical mistakes made when people project. players do not continue an upward trend of improvement. rather the stat trends should return toward the norm. in a young players case, we do not yet know what the "norm" is yet for certain, but in most cases, it will be lower than their early "breakout" year.
just some food for thought.
id take roddy here if i have to take one of the two because i think chambers is an overrated piece of garbage who would only be valuable if he lucks into 8-10 TDs again. 900 yards and 6 TDs, woohoo, no thanks. i dont like roddy a ton, but its an easy pick next to chambers. |
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07-17-2008, 05:15 AM
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#35 | | Better late than never
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Donate | Chambers for me. One of the things I have learned about this game is to take the guy on the team that will score the most points. Atlanta will struggle to do this and San Diego will not. |
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07-17-2008, 01:23 PM
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#36 | | Outlaw
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Donate | another pro-white vote. i'll steal from Sgt_John, Chambers is the 3rd option in SD, behind LT & Gates, thats just not that good for me.
I'll take the young WR who at least has the potential to rise. I mean, last year Atlanta was in the bottom 5 in offense and he still put up good stats. It is not like Atlanta can take a huge step back this year. I see no reason to penalize White based on that. |
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07-17-2008, 02:40 PM
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#37 | | Outlaw
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Donate | Roddy White - I like his chances to continue performing. Even if Chambers wasn't the #3 option on the Chargers I might still take White. Chambers has done nothing but disappoint since he came into the league. |
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07-17-2008, 03:09 PM
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#38 | | Outlaw
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Donate | not the biggest fan of chambers, but nothing but disappoint?? isnt that insanely harsh? He has cracked 10+ TDs on two seperate occasions. Not somebody i would classify as a complete bust. |
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07-18-2008, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Vicious_Machine not the biggest fan of chambers, but nothing but disappoint?? isnt that insanely harsh? He has cracked 10+ TDs on two seperate occasions. Not somebody i would classify as a complete bust. | | Quite a time ago though...don't you think? |
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07-18-2008, 08:59 AM
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#40 | | Outlaw
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Donate | yeah, but his post didnt say he was a disappointment in SD or the last couple years, just disappointment. lol |
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07-18-2008, 11:44 AM
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#41 | | Yeah.......That's me!
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Originally Posted by Miller_time So now the question becomes is the #3 option in a top 5 offense better the the #1 option in a bottom 5 offense?? | | I like the option that includes the team that will score the points. I will select Chambers. He really came on at the end of the season, in the middle, of the middle, of his first year in the offense. This is lost on me, and I feel that Rivers will be in better shape now, then he was while this was occuring. This close call won't cause me the concern of choosing between the two like some others have. |
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07-18-2008, 12:01 PM
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#42 | | Outlaw
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Donate | i just dont get this argument.... Atlanta was bottom 5 last year, and white put up good stats. SD was top 5 last year, yet their #3 did not produce much, and that was with gates hurting. I mean, Chambers was there for 10 games, its not like he just joined the last couple games.
Whats even scarier for me is, the most grabs Chambers got in the 10 games with SD was 5, and never cracked 100 yards in any of the games (at least i didnt see it in my 30 sec glance of the game logs). Is the SD offense really going to improve THAT much from 5th best in total points? Like yes, maybe their passing yards might improve a bit from last year, but I cant imagine they run the ball any less then they were? They are going to be winning a lot, and running a lot.
Still taking White here. |
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07-18-2008, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Vicious_Machine i just dont get this argument.... Atlanta was bottom 5 last year, and white put up good stats. SD was top 5 last year, yet their #3 did not produce much, and that was with gates hurting. I mean, Chambers was there for 10 games, its not like he just joined the last couple games.
Whats even scarier for me is, the most grabs Chambers got in the 10 games with SD was 5, and never cracked 100 yards in any of the games (at least i didnt see it in my 30 sec glance of the game logs). Is the SD offense really going to improve THAT much from 5th best in total points? Like yes, maybe their passing yards might improve a bit from last year, but I cant imagine they run the ball any less then they were? They are going to be winning a lot, and running a lot.
Still taking White here. | | I agree. I don't think you can simply assume that a top scoring offense means great targets for all. Look at Philly. The ONLY two you want is McNabb and Westbrook. Minny is AP. St. Louis the main targets were Holt and Jackson(Faulk when there) and later, much later Bruce and Bulger.
Chambers isn't a solid enough target that I would want to go away from the #1 target for another offense. White IS the receiving core for Atlanta this year. Rest are merely support. Turner will be a work horse rb..but not a receptions horse. I see alot more targets going to White, thus more opportunities to score than Chambers who has to share passes with Gates and Tomlinson. Regardless of what Rivers does. |
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07-20-2008, 07:14 AM
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#44 | | Who Me? Admin
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Originally Posted by Vicious_Machine i just dont get this argument.... Atlanta was bottom 5 last year, and white put up good stats. SD was top 5 last year, yet their #3 did not produce much, and that was with gates hurting. I mean, Chambers was there for 10 games, its not like he just joined the last couple games.
Whats even scarier for me is, the most grabs Chambers got in the 10 games with SD was 5, and never cracked 100 yards in any of the games (at least i didnt see it in my 30 sec glance of the game logs). Is the SD offense really going to improve THAT much from 5th best in total points? Like yes, maybe their passing yards might improve a bit from last year, but I cant imagine they run the ball any less then they were? They are going to be winning a lot, and running a lot.
Still taking White here. | | 10 games in the middle of the year is a big thing. he had one week to learn this team, this year he has mini-camps, training camps, preseason, ect. Joining an NFL team midseason and having any impact at all is hard enough, you have to think with an off season to work with the team, things will be better IMO. If anything, what he was able to do after joining midseason is an argument for him, not against. |
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07-23-2008, 05:40 AM
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#45 | | Water Boy | Just some interesting stats for those suggesting that Chris Chambers' mediocre performance (by stats) will be continued . . .
PLAYOFFS:
Wk 1 vs. TEN: 6 rec for 121 yards
Wk 2 vs. IND: 3 rec for 67 yards, 1 TD
Wk 3 vs. NE: 7 rec for 90 yards
The boy has the talent. Now it appears that his head is in the right place, as well.
I like Roddy White, but I expect Matt Ryan to be throwing at some point, and probably early, and that means a likely dip in White's numbers.
I'll take Chambers on the edge. |
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