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Old 06-30-2008, 11:17 PM   #31
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League announces hard core stance on off-field behavior.
League announces CBA may need to be re-CBA'd.
League announces Rookies get too much.
League doesn't need to announce the writing is on the wall.
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Old 06-30-2008, 11:21 PM   #32
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League changes the NFL draft schedule, effectively making it the least talked about draft in years....

All it takes is one work stoppage to effectively ruin years of progress that was made by previous commissioners. Ask the other pro leagues what happens when you shut down (the fans go elsewhere)
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Old 06-30-2008, 11:49 PM   #33
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League changes the NFL draft schedule, effectively making it the least talked about draft in years....

All it takes is one work stoppage to effectively ruin years of progress that was made by previous commissioners. Ask the other pro leagues what happens when you shut down (the fans go elsewhere)
I think that is the writing. However, I believe the Commish is acting on behalf of a majority of the owners.
They'd write his last check on the wall if he were acting on his own. jmo
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Old 07-01-2008, 12:00 AM   #34
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I think he is doing a bang up job...

I am so happy they have taken a no tolerance stance on off-field crap. Tagliabue did a great job growing the game and making it more popular, but nothing for discipline. Had Goodell been around for discipline, Irvin would have never been a hall of famer or been part of those 3 Superbowls. Nevermind, the Cowboys may not have won them.
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Old 07-01-2008, 12:26 AM   #35
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I think he is doing a bang up job...

I am so happy they have taken a no tolerance stance on off-field crap. Tagliabue did a great job growing the game and making it more popular, but nothing for discipline. Had Goodell been around for discipline, Irvin would have never been a hall of famer or been part of those 3 Superbowls. Nevermind, the Cowboys may not have won them.
What in the world is wrong with snorting coke off a couple of hookers asses?
There should be a HOF for that!
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Old 07-01-2008, 02:59 AM   #36
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I am so happy they have taken a no tolerance stance on off-field crap.
They have? Seems more like selective punishment to me.
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Old 07-01-2008, 03:17 AM   #37
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I want to touch on this rookie cap thought one more time, as I fee so much is being overlooked here. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see NFL salaries come down across the board, but only if it meant that the common man could afford those cool things like season tickets without having to go without things like food and electricity in the home. I mean, hell, we are now funding new stadiums with $25k seat licenses on top of the cost of a season ticket. That is ridiculous.

However, before everyone gets all happy about the idea of a rookie cap, you need to truly understand the real picture, or at least try to see it from my point of view for a minute.

Roger Goodell has the fans on his side here because he is talking the angle of paying the veterans what they deserve. However, where is this money going to come from? Goodell and the owners are not trying to take the money from the rookies so it is available to pay veterans, they are simply trying to pay less money period to the players by lowering the percentage of revenue, and effectively lowering the cap ( or preventing it from climbing any further).

Bottom line, this is being done to put more money into the pockets of the already overly rich owners.

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Owners are not happy with the fact they give 60% of NFL revenue to the players, and Gene Upshaw says they will not budge from this, and that the owners will have to live with 40%. The owners accepted the agreement as they had no choice and wanted to avoid a strike, but since accepting it, they have grown increasingly unhappy with it. The two owners who have been the most vocally against the agreement, and appear to be pushing for it to me changed are Patriots owner Robert Kraft and Broncos owner Patrick Bowlen

The termination of this agreement puts an end to the current NFL salary cap in 2009, creating a cap free environment in 2010.

If and when this happens, there will be plenty more issues that will be fought out including drug testing, in which Upshaw refused to allow the NFL to test for HGH via blood testing, and until there is a urine test, he says he won't discuss the issue.
In May, the owners voted to opt out of the current agreement.

Capping the rookies is just step one toward these owners lining their pockets with more money. Getting a bigger share of the revenue to stay with them is another step.

Now, think about what was quoted above. Do you still really think that the owners reasoning for wanting to cap rookies is so they can pay veterans more money?

And given that the owners only agreed to this previous CBA to avoid a strike, do you actually think the owners and this commish can accomplish capping rookie salaries, force a blood test for HGH, and get a higher percentage of the revenue?

Gene Upshaw stood his ground last time. Now you want to add in the pressure to help the older retired players? There is no way Upshaw caves on any of this. If anything, he is going to demand a higher percentage of revenue.

Look at the whole picture, not just the words that Roger Goodell is spouting off to gain favor among the fans.

That is all I will say on the subject..... At least for tonight
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And Phicinfan, where are you hearing the vets speaking out against the rookies? Same source that is giving you the inside Ryan info?

As for the retired players, I think the current leader of the NFLPA has already made it clear he could care less what the retired players think.
ESPN Radio as well as other talk sport radio during interviews. Why is it when you can't argue a point, you immediately run to a source question?
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ESPN Radio as well as other talk sport radio during interviews. Why is it when you can't argue a point, you immediately run to a source question?
Do you take everything so seriously?
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Do you take everything so seriously?
There is no not serious in FF!

Seriously though, just listening to ESPN radio on the way home, Feely the K and an NFL rep in the union is now on record for saying 95% of the vet players are for this.
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The problem is that there is always an owner willing to pay the steep price, which just drive the going rate higher for the next guy. Same with Free Agent, there's always some that will sign guys like Pacman Jones.

Contracts should be strictly incentive based, with a minimal base salary. If you perform, you'll get what you deserve. If you take plays off, you should get penalized.
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Here's what the NHL has done with rookies.

This just in with FIRST OVERALL SELECTION, Steven Stamkos with the Tampa Bay Lightning. He signed the minimum plus bonuses.

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The standard entry-level contract includes a yearly base salary of $875,000, as well as a maximum of $8.55 million in performance bonuses
Base of $875K. Maybe by NFL standards that could be jacked to 1M or even 1.5M, then bonuses. That sounds reasonable then vets their cash they earned over time. Not $8M guaranteed for not having stepped on the field.

This kid had an amazing year in the OHL. He deserves a helluva a loit more than $875K. But he's got to prove at a pro level he can do it. That's what NFL rookies should do also. Not fadeout like Andre Ware, Troy Davis and Ryan Leaf to name a few...
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