are you speaking of the madden curse?

in which anyone displayed on the madden cover is ultimately destined to have a shitty year?

Through several seasons of research, I came up with that one myself. But Franky, you can take it to the vbank.....

no i ment the poster curse in which whose ever poster i have in my basement sucks that year

lol again

your guys' excitement over the fact that i would take garcia over mcnabb is blinding you and not letting you see what i am saying.

i am speaking from a fantasy perspective.

where i dont want to be fucked because my star qb is hurt so often.

and this is my only gripe about mcnabb, as he is obviously the better qb in every statistical way possible.

im assuming it has to do with the countless hours you masturbate to these posters?

Well I will immediatly end this debate right now. Since I am a stat guy and stats end all things. Garcia has played in 93% all the games since he has been in the NFL. McNabb has played in 94%. Believe it or not McNabb acctually has a better percentage so the "pussy" arguement is now dropped.

How could he have played in 94% when he has played 2 entire seasons?

And are you getting your sources off the cherios box again?

he's been in the league 8 years and only 3 times has he ever missed more then 2 games do to an injury. in 04 he missed the final game cause his coached benched him before the final game of the season to save him for the playoffs.

yea... and how many games did he miss in those 3x?

Because if you miss 1 game its not a "full season". The percentage of games they play in is the real statistic you should look at (assuming you believe the guy can will himself to not get injured and its not all dumb luck).

First of all, I don't think anyone here has said or believes that Garcia is a "better" Qb than McNabb.

However the point is being made, and all the McNabb backers have not responded to it yet. Would you take a much more talented Qb over an efficient one......knowing you won't get a full season from the more talented one?:

I also don't think it is being disrespected, to be excited over the guy who brought you back from a season of embarrassment. Like Garcia or not, he put this team on his back, he is taking advantage of all the talent around him, and the team is winning. In the NFL it is ALWAYS what have you done for me lately. Now, I agree with Birdman, is it all Garcia...No. Defense has stepped up, the coaching staff has stepped up and finally made this team balanced, Westbrook is carrying the offense. But here is the key....Garcia is who they are rallying around. He is leading, and not making the crucial mistake.

My other question to those who feel McNabb is being dissed. If Garcia and the Eagles beat N.O. IN N.O., unlike McNabb and the Eagles earlier this year....what then?

Wow I really missed out on this hot topic!

Here's my two cents:

1. McNabb may be the most disrespected athlete in the country. I mean, I cannot get over how nasty people are to him over and over and over again, despite his incredible numbers and his positive outlook. How anyone can call him a pussy is beyond me. Aside from the sports hernia there was that game in Arizona three years ago where he played the entire game WITH A BROKEN FIBULA!!! and posted his best numbers to that date. Yes, it was Arizona, but Puhlease. And Mike, that's when he began being a pocket passer.

2. Hey, I LOVE Garcia! He's managing the games and not making mistakes. The coaching has improved and the D has finally stepped up. Hello, if we didn't win the games earlier this year you can hardly blame McNabb for posting crazy yardage and TD numbers. Perhaps you could accuse him of scoring too quickly sometimes, but he didn't allow the other team to march down the field or put them in (yes, even 62 yard) FG position. So yes, Garcia is doing great, and I'm thrilled that we have him, but the real change that's happened is that the D decided to show up.

hmmm, I seem to have gotten lost here. did I make my point?

It has nothing to do with McNabb. He is still part of the team and doing as much as he can from the sidelines. If they win then I'm thrilled and I will be happy for McNabb if he earns a SB ring. I still want him back next year, and i would be thrilled to have garcia on the bench.

Why when I called my dad this morning did we have this same damn argument. And of course my dad is drinking from the Garcia kool aid or maybe he is lurking here.

If you notice, I have not said anything bad about Garcia nor do I hear anyone saying anything bad about the job he has done filling in. He did not play his best game vs. the Giants but he did have no interceptions, so I have no complaints there either.

It is not disrespecting Donovan to cheer for Garcia or like him. But Donovan has been disrespected from the word "go". I don't make too much of those 20 drunk fans booing him on draft day for not being Ricky Williams. But what I do take notice of is the consistent pounding he takes every single year from his army of critics. Some people like myself are happy about Garcia and don't even have to mention McNabb. But a lot of people are incapable or praising Garcia without ripping Donovan, or pointing out Donovan's weaknesses vs. Garcia's strengths.

If the Eagles beat the Saints w/ Garcia I will be thrilled. But what does it have to do with Donovan? McNabb actually played a good game against the Saints. It was Michael Lewis and Ryan Moats that put is in the hole, and it was the defense that couldn't stop NO as they ate up 8 minutes to end the game on a FG.

Exactly!!!

One thing we need to put to sleep now is this MVP talk. McNabb had a solid start to the season, all loads MVP talk resulted. There is a reason you don't name the MVP in the first month of the season. This talk no sooner got going good, then everyone was again making excuses for the bad games, and the bad games started coming at the same rate the good games were coming in the beginning.

It has always been the same thing for McNabb. If you are not supporting him and praising him, then you are considered to be "disrespecting" him. You simply cannot criticize anything this guy does without his backers going on the defensive.

This season, McNabb started playing poorly halfway though the New Orleans game, and played mediocre football at best up until his final loss to Tennessee when he got hurt. And yes, he did mix in a good game against Washington during this meltdown, but any decent quarterback had good days against the Redskins secondary.

Many people are very critical of McNabb, but I think it is a result of so many others being so protective of him.

Now, while everyone is arguing about his injuries, and this crazy thought that Garcia is a better quarterback, I am curious what everyone expects from McNabb after this injury. McNabb is successful because he creates plays with his legs. What happens to him after this knee injury? He was already slowed down to an extent by the loads of injuries he has dealt with over the past few years, now he will no doubt be slower. Is it time for the Eagles to start looking for a future quarterback in the draft? Somebody they can draft this year or next year with the plan on starting in a couple years?

I think it hurts him. It was the concern I had when he was playing with his sports hernia. He is at his best, when he can be mobile, run and make plays with his legs. Depending on the severity of the knee injury...he won't be able to do that as well next year.

Again, I have never said Garcia is a better Qb. I do believe right now folks are praising him and lauding him due to his performance in duress. Which agian I don't think you should take as a dig to Mcnabb

Always nice to see a fellow Eagles fan using common sense.

I laugh at all the thin-skinned McNabb apologists blowing "disrespect" out their pieholes. They wouldn't have to come to the guys' defense if he'd put together a good season or two in a row.

It's not disrespect, it's reality. The guy's always getting dinged up and he isn't getting any younger. And no, Garcia isn't better, but I would think you'd be damned glad he was there for you.....

The Eagles would be wise to start looking for Donovan's eventual replacement, and soon.