This is from today's presser. Shouldn't make it fun for Carr during his interviews.

Nice quote for Carr:

Quote:

(on seeing former Texans QB David Carr leave) “When you get in this league you make friends with people. David was my first quarterback. He was the first pick of this franchise. When you get a first pick of the franchise that is the guy who is going to get them to where they want to be. Unfortunately, it didn’t work out that way for David. David is a great player and wherever he goes I’m sure he’ll perform real well.”

Not so nice quote for Carr

Quote:

(on why he thinks he didn’t succeed) “From my first year here, I think pretty much the way he was coached my first couple years here. He was pretty much told where to throw the ball. A lot of people didn’t know that, he was never really taught how to go through reads and things like that. When coach Kubiak came here, that was his big thing, teaching him how to go through reads and stuff. It was like he was starting all over.”

WTF?

Is he saying that Chris Palmer told him where to throw the ball and not go through progressions?

Crazy.

Or maybe Palmer realized that he couldn't go through reads and was basically trying to hold him hand hoping he would develop.

This was my stance on the guy from the beginning. No matter what I said, I was "bashing" Carr, as if I had a reason to dislike him.

He always had a nice arm when he had all day to throw against suspect defenses. I said, before he got to the NFL that he had no pocket presence and couldn't read defenses.

You don't "learn" to read a defense at the NFL level. You have to have that ability before you get here, especially if you are a #1 pick. He never showed much ability to do this back in college.

As for Andre Johnson, I get the feeling he needs to be slapped upside the head and told to pay attention to his receiving drills. Pretty funny how a guy like Palmer is regarded as being very good with quarterbacks anywhere he has been, but for some stange reason, he just "happened" to do a bad job with David Carr. You can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit.

So far, it has always been this coach, that coach, and every excuse that can come out of Houston except that Carr was simply a stupid draft pick.

I think after a while Andre got tired of not getting the ball. I remember his work ethic from his rookie season to his second season. Andre went out and trained with the ball machine maxed out on speed. He wanted to be able to catch anything that came from David's laser arm. But something snapped between them. Perhaps Andre saw that David just wasn't going to cut it?

Andre's quotes don't bother me so much. He did a great job of keeping his opinion to himself while Carr was still on the roster. I don't consider it throwing a guy under the bus. Andre is trying to face facts and move on.

I think Schaub will open a lot of people's eyes in Houston. I'm not saying that I think Schaub is the next Montana, but I do think he will be an improvement over a guy who was "taught" to lock onto his receiver.

and i open up the thread and see texangrrl and nikki reading it... interesting ladies... very interesting...

So that begs the questions Da Bomb... what are you doing in here then? LOL

haha, i totally knew i was opening myself up to that too!

AJ, who is in the locker room and has played for years on the team, thinks it was the way he was coached.

You, who were not there, but have Palmer coaching on your favo team, choose to believe it had nothing to do with coaching. Your view of Palmer as being very good everywhere he's been, I believe is revisionist. BTW, who do you think was cool with picking David Carr from the beginning--if Palmer thought he wasn't going to be any good, Carr wouldn't have been picked.

I'm going to try to get my Chronicle friend to get more skinny on this. That is just a crazy quote, but then again, Kubiak has talked about some of the crazy stuff that Carr was taught in the past--though most of the blame by implication was on Joe Pendry.

I am not a Giants fan

Besides, I spoke well of Palmer before he came to Dallas. He has done very well with quarterbacks everywhere he has been, but just like everyone else that has left Houston, he takes the blame for that team's shortcomings.

Take a look at this seriously for just a second. You guys are running with an accusation made that a coach taught a quarterback to do everything that goes against common sense in the NFL. Palmer has a very good track record for working well with the Jaguars, the Patriots, and did well in Dallas. You don't hang around that long, and get brought back in by former head coaches multiple times to work with quarterbacks if you are teaching them to do things completely backwards, like is being claimed here.

Actually, Palmer wasn't Carr's QB coach. He was the OC, and they had a bunch of Capers cronies stuck in the QB coaching spot--one year they moved the tight ends coach as QB coach.

So, I really want to know if Carr was actually taught to throw to a particular guy on each play. That sounds ridiculous, but we had some ridiculous stuff happen here.

Did well in Dallas? Is he the guy who thought Bledsoe deserved to start?

You left out the Browns.

Palmer is a well liked guy in the league. I think you are overselling him as a QB guru.

And his background of working very well with quarterbacks was one of the reasons he was brought in.


No, that would be Parcells. The quarterback that Palmer was brought in to work with and get ready ended up going to the Pro Bowl

Couch sucked almost as bad as Carr

This is what he is referred to as by many in the league, and also why he has now been brought back in by a former head coach he worked for to fix Eli Manning if possible.

Overselling? Whoa, wait just a minute there, missy! Look at the long and distinguished list of studs he's developed over the years.

Bledsoe, Brunell, Couch, Carr, Bledsoe (again), Romo..

Is it normal to actually chuckle out loud in the middle of typing?

Might want to ask Warren Moon and Jack Pardee what they think about him as well. You can believe it or not, but Palmer played a big role into taking Moon and his big arm and making him and the team better, even as a receivers coach.

Check out his stats before Palmer arrived, then the year after Palmer left, the last year that Moon was with the Oilers.

Other than two overrated #1 picks, quarterbacks have done very well with him.

But anyway, he no longer has me on the campaign payroll, so I will stop defending him for Carr's shortcomings now.

Honestly though Mike, in your defense, I would totally not be surprised to finally see Eli develop into one of THE all-time slightly above average QB's in NFL history under his tutelage.

I can't make an accurate assessment of coaching ability in gimmicky offenses/defenses. I'm pretty sure Moon was going to be Moon throwing the ball 50x a game, but I agree that as a QB guru, C.P. was one hell of a WR guru.. LOL

May I interrupt this Carr-bashing to announce the he is now a Panther.

http://www.sofantasyfootball.com/news/119/

Seen that it looked like it was very close to happening yesterday. Guess that is better for him than his next closest option which was going to Seattle to be the #3 emergency guy.

It seems like a good move for Carr as he gets to work in the system for awhile before hitting the fray. His choices of where he wanted to go shows that even he thinks he needs some development at this point.

I think Carr wasn't offered a starting deal from anywhere. I'm glad he got picked up by Carolina. We all know that Delhomme didn't last a the full season without an injury last year.

NFL.com - Jake Delhomme

Course after looking at those stats... Maybe he could last this year?

David Carr's bro used to post at the old Texans forum that they replaced with the new defective Texans forum.

Anyway, DC's brother was saying in so many words that Carr has money out the wazoo and would rather being in a stable football team with good management/coaching, then to be at an NFL city that is a mess. Looking for a long term place rather than going the route of a messed up situation as a starter, and being in a position meant for failure.

Miami was rumored to want him but DC was non-happy with the offensive line situation there.

So yeah, he has to be backup in Panther land, but he is a good practice QB, and maybe can push Delhomme to be better or to replace him eventually.