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Old 05-03-2005, 06:43 PM   #1
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the motorcycle accident that was not appearing to be serious, may now be more serious than thought. The Browns must be on pins and needles at this point.

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The primary problem, sources said, are potentially significant injuries to the right knee and right shoulder -- with the club unable to determine the extent of damage to either until swelling subsides
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Old 05-03-2005, 11:31 PM   #2
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This is not good news for the Browns, nor is it good news for Kellen. He cannot afford to mess up his contract now, as it could cost him millions. Also, what happens if he isn't able to make a full recovery? Do the Browns draft a tight end next season or get one via a trade for this season?
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Old 05-04-2005, 02:15 PM   #3
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Right here and now...I would love to see a TEAM do the right thing, and cut his ass, and take back the signing bonus that I am sure they have the clause in to do. Take his money and say adios. They have Aaron Shea, and others, who did okay last year...and they would be a hell of alot better off.
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Old 05-04-2005, 03:01 PM   #4
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Right here and now...I would love to see a TEAM do the right thing, and cut his ass, and take back the signing bonus that I am sure they have the clause in to do. Take his money and say adios. They have Aaron Shea, and others, who did okay last year...and they would be a hell of alot better off.
Yeah and then have them be laughed off as the biggest idiots this side of the bengals organization. I love all these Kellen Winslow haters who want to see him almost get killed and then act as if this guy isn't any good. This guy is a great TE and if he is able to get back onto the field he will show it. When he got injured the Browns season was lost. They had to scale back their offense 50%. Thats how important he is. To say the Browns would be a lot better off without him is an utterly STUPID thing to say. But I expect that from guys who don't have a clue about football like you phic. Get real.
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By the way Ive been pms-ing so sorry about the jab but still it is stupid to say the Browns would be better off without winslow.
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Old 05-04-2005, 09:41 PM   #6
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What an assclown..... They shouldn't cut him but still get a good chunk of that SB back. What a dumbass.
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And we traded a 2nd round draft pick to move up one damn spot to get this guy! Since our other 2nd round pick did so well on IR last year (Sean Jones), it seems that the sabotaging of the Browns by Butch Davis was intended to sink the ship. It took Cleveland a little too long to boot his ass back south.

Think about that. We gave up the #37 pick to move up one spot! To think, if we stayed at #7 instead of trading up #6, we could have picked up, gee, let me think...a QB for the future! Wow! Wouldn't that have been a wise use of the draft pick...especially considering Roethlisberger "slid" to 11. Instead, we give up what could have been Tatum Bell or Julius Jones, Ricardo Colclough or Keiwan Ratliff, Teddy Lehman or Daryl Smith or Dontarrious Thomas, or even Ben Troupe for Golden-Boy Winslow.

The one bad thing about Butchie Boy was that he was too enamoured with his Miami thugs...to a fault. We got rid of the majority of Butch's picks, we got rid of Butch, has Winslow's time come? I'll be the first to admit we could use a great tight end, but is paying him more than what Carson Palmer was getting paid per season (as #1 overall) really worth it? I can think of some useful applications for the $5+ million/season contracted to pay this guy. Granted, he has deservingly missed out on a shitload of money already, and should miss out on a shitload more. How about keeping the restrooms clean during games at Cleveland Browns Stadium? Maybe Winslow heals up in time to lend a hand with that come the regular season.
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You guys are absolutely insane!!!!! I mean jesus you look at his cocky attitude and all of sudden translate that into some hatred you have for him. There is a reason the guy is cocky. Its because he's good. Remember this is a guy in a TE's body who can run like a WR!!!! People bitch and moan about what he got paid but when he's catching TD passes and being the focal point of that offense then everyone will forget about that. The man is an absolute STUD. He is a man among boys. If he's able to get back healthy he could easily be the best TE in the league.
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The man is an absolute STUD.
He's been nothing but an absolute BUST...so far.

Well, maybe. We did win the 1st game last year versus the Browns. And we had a small hope in the 2nd game all the way until that ill-fated onside kick that single handedly killed that game and exploded all hopes of a useful season last year.

Ah, the heartbreaks of fandom.
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Kellen Winslow may not have a chance to prove his worth to the NFL. His injuries may be far more severe than first reported and his recovery period may be far longer as well. As to his contract, the standard contract in the NFL contains clauses that forbid players from riding bikes the way he was reported to have been riding (wheelies etc). He could be placed on the "non-football" injury list and lose his salary for the time he is unable to play as well.
Looks like a really tough time for him, fortunately, he has his stellar education to fall back on........
Also, stud in college is no guarantee of stardom in the professional ranks.
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He's been nothing but an absolute BUST...so far.
What do you mean he's been a bust so far? He's only been in the league one year and has played TWO GAMES!!!!
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What do you mean he's been a bust so far? He's only been in the league one year and has played TWO GAMES!!!!

I wonder how many millions per game that averages out to? He hasn't been worth a shit so far. It's starting to look like he's going to be too fragile to be a good TE in the NFL.
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I wonder how many millions per game that averages out to? He hasn't been worth a shit so far. It's starting to look like he's going to be too fragile to be a good TE in the NFL.
And what do you base that on? One injury? Who cares how many games he was out last year and how many millions that averages out to. When Michael Vick was injured the year before no one bitched and moaned like all you Winslow haters are now about contracts.
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Yeah and then have them be laughed off as the biggest idiots this side of the bengals organization. I love all these Kellen Winslow haters who want to see him almost get killed and then act as if this guy isn't any good. This guy is a great TE and if he is able to get back onto the field he will show it. When he got injured the Browns season was lost. They had to scale back their offense 50%. Thats how important he is. To say the Browns would be a lot better off without him is an utterly STUPID thing to say. But I expect that from guys who don't have a clue about football like you phic. Get real.
Personal attack aside. Just WHAT has he done for the Browns so far?? Nothing, but cost them money. Now he is hurt again, with a punctured lung and more serious knee injuries. Sorry, a team would be better cutting the losses now, and getting a player more mature and capable of playing, than sticking with a head case that won't net to anything.
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By the way Ive been pms-ing so sorry about the jab but still it is stupid to say the Browns would be better off without winslow.
Oh my goodness we are sync up.

And what Killerfins said. Browns should try to get some of that money back.
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Personal attack aside. Just WHAT has he done for the Browns so far?? Nothing, but cost them money. Now he is hurt again, with a punctured lung and more serious knee injuries. Sorry, a team would be better cutting the losses now, and getting a player more mature and capable of playing, than sticking with a head case that won't net to anything.
Again that would be the most idiotic thing to do in the world. You asked what has he done? DUDE HE IS IN HIS SECOND YEAR!!!! Not every rookie is going to be a Randy Moss or even Jeremy Shocky and have fantastic first years. And that he costs money is such a stupid argument because EVERY player costs money. According to your scary logic the Lions should give up on Charles Rogers. Yeah just might as well cut him. Get a clue dude.

For you to suggest that a team should give up on a rookie drafted in the top 10 in his SECOND YEAR is just downright, without a doubt MORONIC!
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Again that would be the most idiotic thing to do in the world. You asked what has he done? DUDE HE IS IN HIS SECOND YEAR!!!! Not every rookie is going to be a Randy Moss or even Jeremy Shocky and have fantastic first years. And that he costs money is such a stupid argument because EVERY player costs money. According to your scary logic the Lions should give up on Charles Rogers. Yeah just might as well cut him. Get a clue dude.

For you to suggest that a team should give up on a rookie drafted in the top 10 in his SECOND YEAR is just downright, without a doubt MORONIC!
First, put your stupid Huricane homerism aside.
Second, it has NOTHING to do with how many years. The fact is in cases like this history proves that players this immature, and unable to focus will only continue to do so. Yes, he was hurt last year, which was totally out of his control. I am NOT even going into a bust label yet, as was pointed out, he didn't even really get a shot to play. My concern here is his damn 10 cent head. He is a player coming back from a significant injury. An injury by some reports he isn't even totally back from. Now he goes out and puts his LIFE at risk for what? How many times have we heard of this in this league, and the player ends up being a wash out. The other issue is this. Assuming Cleveland does the RIGHT thing here, and take money from this idiot. Do you REALLY expect him to play here? Nope, he will pout, hold out, and demand a trade. So just cut your losses and dump his sorry ass.
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First, put your stupid Huricane homerism aside.
You did see me mention Charles Rogers? Last I checked he never played for the U.
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Second, it has NOTHING to do with how many years. The fact is in cases like this history proves that players this immature, and unable to focus will only continue to do so.
Yeah sure...If every NFL team had a full detailed report of how Randy Moss would've behaved these I dont know how many years...do you doubt that he wouldn't have been taken first in that draft rather than dropping to the 20's? Also what has he done that was soooooooooo immature? Please show me. What getting hurt was immature? Yeah Im sure he meant to do that.

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He is a player coming back from a significant injury. An injury by some reports he isn't even totally back from. Now he goes out and puts his LIFE at risk for what? How many times have we heard of this in this league, and the player ends up being a wash out.
Hold on a second....put his life on the line? Dude he was ridding a motorcycle in a parking lot and wasn't going that fast...I think it was 30 mph. It's not like he was bed ridden. By that time he was able to walk and do things normal people do. Getting on a motorcycle is not that big of a deal.

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The other issue is this. Assuming Cleveland does the RIGHT thing here, and take money from this idiot. Do you REALLY expect him to play here? Nope, he will pout, hold out, and demand a trade. So just cut your losses and dump his sorry ass.
Another stupid stupid statement. What do you base that on? Again show me what has he done that has been SOOOOOOO immature in the NFL? But besides that you recommend a team cut a player based on what he MIGHT do? I mean really I have never heard anything so stupid in my life. Why dont you get off your hard on and hatred for Winslow and actually look at this with at least HALF a brain.
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Yeah sure...If every NFL team had a full detailed report of how Randy Moss would've behaved these I dont know how many years...do you doubt that he wouldn't have been taken first in that draft rather than dropping to the 20's? Also what has he done that was soooooooooo immature? Please show me.

Another stupid stupid statement. What do you base that on? Again show me what has he done that has been SOOOOOOO immature in the NFL?

Well, besides being just plain rude, taunting and unsportsmanlike along with immature....how about when Moss acted like he was going to moon the GB fans after his second touchdown in Lambeau during the playoffs??? I mean damn...even after the game was over he refused to do interviews with any reporter from Wisconsin. OR what about the time that the Vikes were losing to Washington and Moss left the field before the game was even over??? Again, another case of immaturity....and an ego problem, if I do say so myself.

And, Zepp, if you even think about trying to say those acts weren't immature then you need your swollen head examined.
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Well, besides being just plain rude, taunting and unsportsmanlike along with immature....how about when Moss acted like he was going to moon the GB fans after his second touchdown in Lambeau during the playoffs??? I mean damn...even after the game was over he refused to do interviews with any reporter from Wisconsin. OR what about the time that the Vikes were losing to Washington and Moss left the field before the game was even over??? Again, another case of immaturity....and an ego problem, if I do say so myself.

And, Zepp, if you even think about trying to say those acts weren't immature then you need your swollen head examined.
I meant winslow my dear...not moss.
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