Again thats moronic. The Lions aren't going to give up on Charles Rogers and nor should they. They would be absolutely stupid to go ahead and cut him which is what you seem to think they should do according to your logic.

Wrong again. NONE of that was reported. Fact of the matter is he fell off going 30 mph...that is not fast. Riding a motorcycle does not spell immature at all.

Again not immature. You don't have to wear your helmet and popping wheelies is not immature either. By the way genius how the hell can you speed in a parking lot? Get a friggin clue.

Again phic unlike you I actually know a little about football and can see, as can EVERY OTHER PERSON IN THE NFL, that Winslow is a tremendous talent and will be a success in the NFL. I mean there is absolutely NO denying that. You are an absolute MORON to think that he is 1) immature 2) has a bad attitude and 3) should be cut. Again try taking a cold shower to get rid of that big hard on you have for Winslow and take away some of that hatred you have for him.

Fact is you STILL cannot show me ONE INSTANCE in the NFL where he has either shown immaturity or a bad attitude. You are flat stupid to suggest that the Browns should quit on this guy after one year and one injury. But again it doesnt surprise me coming from a guy like you. You absolutely don't know DICK about football. You are nothing more than one of those loudmouth clueless fans, similar to these radio DJ's, who just spout off useless, uninformed clueless opinions that don't have any basis in reality or truth. The absolute ONLY THING you are basing your idiotic opinions on are your hatred for him because he happened to go off after a loss in college. You have no clue about his skills, about his talent and about how good he is. There is absolutely no one...I repeat...NO ONE in the NFL who doesn't think he will be a great tight end. And if someone would suggest what you were to the Browns coaches, or execs or to ANYONE with an NFL title they would be LAUGHED AT as a JOKE!

Yeah Suzukis aren't pieces of shit and they can be expensive. What Mojo is saying is that they don't hold up well in crashes. Bikes like this are meant for speed. That is why if he was going faster than 30 the bike would be in absolute ruin. I've seen plenty of bike crashes and have seen what happens to a body when they are REALLy going fast. Again, if Winslow was going ANY significant speed he would probably be dead or at the very least be in a LOT worse shape.

Okay don't mix messages. I didn't say cut Rogers. I said two years with same injury and slow to come back is coming close to bust material. If it happens again...then what?

WRONG. There IS a report of EARLIER in the day where he was at a MOTORCYCLE event. He CLEARLY was SPEEDING, as well as POPPING WHEELIES. Perhaps you should READ more. Also, I don't know where YOU live, but 35mph in a PARKING LOT is UNSAFE....DUH!

He is coming off a very serious leg injury, and his contract CLEARLY calls out no cycling. THAT IS immature. Going 35 in a parking lot is a pretty good definition of speeding....duh. Perhaps you should take your homer head out of your homer ass.

First you haven't shown one iota of football knowledge since I have seen you post.

Second, I clearly stated, and proved his lack of maturity, and have also clearly shown he is a risk.

Third, I can give you any number of players who have acted like him and failed to show that risk, Leaf, Green(rb cleveland) and many, many others come to mind.

Again, 30+ mph in a parking lot isn't fast to you?
Also, a punctured lung, bruised kidneys and a torn ACL is not injured much?

And YOU question logic?

Wrong again. YOU SAID the Browns should cut their losses and get rid of the guy because he has been injured two years in a row. How and why wouldn't that same scary logic apply to Charles Rogers? By the way to say taht Winslow has "injured" the same thing two years in a row is misleading. He got injured one year and then fell off a bike. Falling off a bike and getting injured is not a football injury.

Again this is so stupid. Do you read your own drivel? He was at a "motorcylce event" yet the only picture we have from that "event" was one of the bike after it crashed? Dude make some sense! People bring camcorders and all sorts of recording devices to motorcylce events. This was NOT one of them. It sounds like all it was was a couple of guys trying to learn how to ride a bike in a parking lot. And again by definition YOU CANT SPEED IN A PARKING LOT!!!!!

That is not immature that is called bad judgement something EVERYONE does in their life more than once.

Yeah this coming from a guy who said among other idiotic things that Edgerrin James was not a stud running back. Phic you have had to back track and have been proven wrong more than anyone I know.

You still have not shown ONE INSTANE where he has either displayed immaturity or a bad attitude.

How about Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, John Elway, Deion Sanders...would you like me to go on?

Moron have you ever seen a bike accident..I mean a real bike accident? Again if he was going more than 30 he'd probably be dead or be in a lot worse shape. While his injuries are bad they are not even CLOSE to what can happen to you on a bike if you are REALLY going fast. He wasn't going fast and his injuries are consistent with that.

And no 30 mph is not speeding under ANY circumstance.

See, here is where you blow your whole argument. You don't read what is written. You just assume things.

Now, lets see what is really being said.

First, I NEVER said Detroit should cut Rogers. I SAID he is close to being a bust after suffering the same injury TWICE. IF it happens again, then I KNOW they will cut him, and yes, that rates as a bust.

Second, YES Cleveland should cut Hurijerk since he is a head case waiting to happen.

You are trying to put two things together, that are NOT together.
You asked for proof of immaturity. I stated that EARLIER in the day, while attending a bike event, he did some incredibly stupid things like speeding and doing wheelies. Now, he later was "riding" in a parking lot and had an accident. Now, you can be an idiot(par for the course) and say the law does not apply to parking lots( at least I am TRYING to give you this much credit... ) but the fact is going over 30mph in a parking lot is stupid, dangerous and guess what...he paid for it.

samantics...you are falling back on samantics? It means the same thing dufus. He made bad judgement, because he was too immature to do the correct thing. Sheesh...

See here you go again. I have not BACKTRACKED on anything. I made TWO bad calls last year...woohoo. First, I expected Portis to get injured, as he is not a between the tackles runner...and he didn't, at least not enough to miss alot of time. I also stated that I did not think Edge was a stud back anymore...and he was VERY stud like this past year. Now, the difference is, when I make a mistake, I say it. You prefer to act like an idiot and deny it or make excuses for it. Gee...like being immature...no wonder you want to protect Hurijerk.

Randy just got dealt for practically nothing...think Minny might regret that? San Fran got squat for Owens....hmmmmmm. Elway? He just didn't want to play for one team...got drafted anyways...and got his way...not a bad attitude. Sanders? Bad attitude?

First, yes I have seen bike accidents that have done worse. Had he hit the pavement near by, and not the soft ground, you would again have to shut up. It was stated in the report by police he was traveling OVER 30mph. Live with it.

OH, and local reports from papers are now saying he has a torn ACL and is out for the season. Boy...sure glad he didn't do anything stupid.

And here is where you can't seem to understand your own scary logic...or maybe you do but as ALWAYS you go ahead and back track off of stupid statements that you make with regularity. YOU SAID that they should cut their losses with winslow because of his injuries...again why wouldnt that same situation occur with Rogers?

As far as your statement that they should cut him because "he is a head case waiting to happen." Well based on that rational why doesnt EVERY NFL TEAM CUT EVERY PLAYER THEY HAVE because EVERY PLAYER could POTENTIALLY be a head case.

Dude...GET A FRIGGIN CLUE





Bad judgement? Sure. But then again its also bad judgement for anyone to dive into a pool. It's bad judgement to put the pedal to the metal when you're late....it's bad judgement to do A LOT of things that everyday normal do every single day of their lives. That doesn't make it immature. People fuck up and use bad judgement a lot and it applies to EVERYONE!




dumbass no it doesnt. It is one thing to have bad judgement and its another to be immature. By your own scary defintion you just LABELED EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING as being immature because EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING at a point during EACH DAY fail to do the correct thing. Again stupid...try thinking through your opinions before you go making an ass of yourself.




Dude I am not even going to go through the laundry list of things you have proven wrong in and have had to backtrack because it is overwhelming. It is clear that 1) you dont know football 2) your are a like a hack sports dj who shoots off his mouth without thinking. I mean for crying out loud when you said Edge wasnt a stud back that was like in week 13. 13 weeks wasn't enough, let alone his career, for you to see that he was a stud back? Thats just stupid. Then you say that Clinton Portis wasn't going to do well last year...wrong....then the Broncos wouldn't miss a beat...wrong.....then it was Quentin Griffin would be a stud...wrong....then it was Reuben Drouhgns...wrong...then it was Tatum Bell...wrong. Then of course you make stupid statements like the you need ANOTHER year to figure out whether Drew Brees can play or not...or ANOTHER year to see whether Rudi Johnson can play or not. These are things 5 year olds who don't know the game say. Youre clueless.



Randy Moss and Terrell Owens got traded...what does that have to do with your silly point that I blew out of the water? You tried to make it sound like players with bad attitudes don't succeed. I showed you a few hall of famers with horrible attitudes. Sorry and you don't think Elway had a bad attitude? Why dont you ask Dan Reeves about that. Why don't you ask the Baltimore colts about that. Deion Sanders may not have had a bad attitude but youre gonna sit there and tell me he was mature?

Once again GET A FRIGGGIN CLUE!!!


And just to pile on the stupidty that comes from you and probably another situation where you will have to back track from your own words.....Randy Moss got traded for nothing? Please tell me what an equal trade for Randy Moss would be AND THEN tell me which NFL team would be willing to make that trade? Randy Moss is the best player in the NFL you dolt you aren't going to get eqaul value for him. Still the Raiders gave up a VERY high draft pick PLUS. As far as Terrell Owens go...the Niners were dumping salary more than anything else and EVERYONE KNEW Terrell didn't want to play there anymore. Thats when you as an organization let the player negotiate with other teams and then when they find one they like they make a trade. NO FRIGGIN TEAM IN THE NFL is going to give significant value in a situation like that. Hell look at Patrick Surtain which is the EXACT same situation that Owens was in. He is one of the best corners in the league and they got a second rounder for him just like they did with Owens. Most teams aren't stupid. They aren't going to pay high or even equal value price when they know he is gone anyway

And by the way, phicinfan, the Vikes will be a much better team without Moss than they were with him. He was quite a distraction and the Raiders are a great fit for him.

What a waste of typing. The fact is....you are wrong.

It has NOTHING to do with what college he went to.

It HAS to do with the fact he was NOT mature enough to not risk his life, doing something stupid after already losing most of one year due to injury.

He is another stupid head case, the Cleveland will regret drafting....mark it down here.

For the record, he is lying above also. He and I got in an extended argument over the denver - Washington trade last year for Portis. I stated, that Denver won't miss Portis, as they seem to be able to plug in any back and do well. He said you HAVE to have a stud back. Come to find out...I was correct. Denver still made the Playoffs, Washington didn't. Denver was still in top group in rushing. Now, he will come in with the lame argument that they were down XX yds per game and season. He always does this. When he loses an argument, he makes up lies to protect himself. I NEVER said Griffen or Bell or Droughns would be a stud. I SAID that Denver can plug in anyone and keep going. They did.