"Close Call" #11 - Marvin Harrison - WR - Ind *vs* Reggie Wayne - WR - Ind

the_roob · 08-11-2007, 02:52 AM

It's funny, I din't even notice the mistake. For some reason, even before I read the next sentence I knew what he meant. It said Harrison, but I read it as Wayne in my head. Weird, but I still don't agree with it. You can't go wrong either way, but I think Wayne is totally worth the gamble. If I get a chance to get Wayne while Harrison is still on the board, I will. I'll be safe with some other picks, but with him, I think there is just a lot of potential there and I think it's a great gamble to take, if you even want to call Wayne a gamble.

Miller · 08-11-2007, 07:09 AM

well it wasn't worth the time you took to write it to begin with, I can't believe you took the time to try to back it up!! Bomb, got to give ya credit, you could bull shit your way into the White House if ever given the chance!

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Originally Posted by Da Bomb

for the record, i think the tomlinson comparison is legit. both he and harrison are once in a generation players. but both are standing right now facing ground that has never been faced before. sure harrison is older but tomlinson also gets about 300 more touches a season. LT2 has had just under 2500 touches in his first 6 seasons.... what other RB in NFL history has garnered that load? not emmitt. not dickerson.

im not saying LT is done, but blindly taking him at #1 and figuring him to continue as a top 5 back for several more years is historically just as bad an idea as expecting harrison to keep up his pace. in fact history shows that both of these two guys may hit a wall and fall off a bunch this year. wouldnt that rock the fantasy world? i have to be honest -- im not taking LT in any of my drafts. i wouldnt pass on him at 2, but i would try to trade for the gold mine that awaits. im not "worried" per se, but i am not ignoring the warning signs either.

Miller · 08-11-2007, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Bull

Miller, you made my point loud and clear by telling bomb he won't go down in flames with Harrison. You said Harrison and Wayne will have good years but this is the year Wayne passes Harrison. Read my risk/reward post (post #24.) Your point is exactly why you cannot draft Wayne ahead of Harrison. The reward for drafting Wayne ahead of Harrison IF Wayne passes Harrison is minimal, but the risk of drafting Wayne ahead of Harrison is significant.

This is where I feel your wrong. To be the risk is the other way around. I'm not one to dwell in the past and feel that just b/c Marvin has done it for 8 straight years, I'm automatically writing him down for #9. You have to look at the entire situation, and IMO while I feel the numbers will be very similiar, the risk is in Marvin keeping up this pace at the age of 35 rather then Wayne doing it again in the prime of his career. If you want to take the risk of holding Harrison when the song ends that is fine, but what is the reward? A couple pts a game at most. Sorry guys, Wayne is not going anywhere, his numbers will be top 10, and possibly higher. He's just simply a safer bet then Harrison.

Another thing to look at, Bomb has made reference to Harrison being the 2nd best WR of all time, and that is a comment I believe to be true as well. Well take a look at the numbers of the greatest WR of all time, Jerry Rice. From 86-96 Rice had an AMAZING string of at least 8 TD's and 1000 yds in every season. In fact, only 2 years in that span was he under double digits, and only once was he under 1200 yds.

In 97 he turned 35 yrs old. He also tore his ACL, and in his next 8 seasons he never caught double digit TD's and he only eclipsed 1200 yds once, and that was only 1211. The injury obviouslt effected him and I'm not saying Marvin will get hurt, but the fact is even the great SLOW down. The risk is devintaly there with Marvin, despite what he has accomplished in the past.

the_roob · 08-13-2007, 01:48 AM

Well said.

Hollywoodnash · 08-13-2007, 02:35 AM

Rice tore his ACL. Harrison is not injured. He is the top receiver on the top passing team. Truthfully, neither is really a risk. The question here is who do you think will be better. Ive watched Harrison play for years, and he has never been the fastest guy, but he has his moves and the best hands in football. If you get it within any kind of reach with him, he's going to bring it in. Betting against him not to put up his numbers is like betting the sun won't rise tomorrow. Is there a chance it won't happen? Yeah, but Im not bettin on it.

Bull · 08-13-2007, 08:49 AM

You got it Hollywood. No one knows for sure what is going to happen, but an educated and proven guess is better than a WAG (wild ass guess).

Johnnytud5 · 08-15-2007, 09:12 PM

No question about it, M.Harrison is the only go to guy.....Wayne will typically have more catches...but Harrison will have far more big plays......Harrison is counted on when its third and 2-3-4-5....Both very nice players. but watching them week after week....HARRISON is the man....

chrisslabaugh · 12-03-2007, 11:07 AM

I like to come gloat when I am right. (It happens so rarely) I don't think anyone can argue that Wayne was the correct choice here.

Da Bomb · 12-03-2007, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by chrisslabaugh

I like to come gloat when I am right. (It happens so rarely) I don't think anyone can argue that Wayne was the correct choice here.

....? gloat over an injury if you want, but at least say it the right way lol.

chrisslabaugh · 12-03-2007, 11:41 AM

Say it the right way?

var8rfan · 12-03-2007, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisslabaugh

I don't think anyone can argue that Wayne was the correct choice here.

What he means is:

I don't think anyone can argue that Harrison was the
correct choice.

or

I don't think anyone can argue that Wayne wasn't the correct choice.

anyways, we know what you meant.

chrisslabaugh · 12-03-2007, 02:58 PM

No Wayne was the correct choice. This was a thread for who was going to have a better year. Wayne had the better year thus Wayne was the correct choice. I am having a hard time understanding what you guys mean or how you are interpreting what that Harrison is the correct choice in the context of this thread?

Mike · 12-03-2007, 03:30 PM

Wayne was the better receiver this year, before Marvin Harrison went down.

Wayne was the better receiver last year, regardless what the stats ended up. Wayne led Harrison most of last season, until Manning started heavily focusing on Harrrison later in the season.

Coachnorm · 12-03-2007, 04:31 PM

Should have been debating about who is the better WR / CJ or Housh.

View Poll Results: Close Call #11 - Marvin Harrison vs. Reggie Wayne
Marvin Harrison - WR - Ind	437	62.25%
Reggie Wayne - WR - Ind	265	37.75%
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08-11-2007, 02:52 AM	#41
the_roob Outlaw Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 70 vCash: 589 Donate	It's funny, I din't even notice the mistake. For some reason, even before I read the next sentence I knew what he meant. It said Harrison, but I read it as Wayne in my head. Weird, but I still don't agree with it. You can't go wrong either way, but I think Wayne is totally worth the gamble. If I get a chance to get Wayne while Harrison is still on the board, I will. I'll be safe with some other picks, but with him, I think there is just a lot of potential there and I think it's a great gamble to take, if you even want to call Wayne a gamble.


08-13-2007, 01:48 AM	#44
the_roob Outlaw Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 70 vCash: 589 Donate	Well said.


08-13-2007, 02:35 AM	#45
Hollywoodnash TO THE DEATH Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: TX Posts: 1,073 vCash: 80062 Donate	Rice tore his ACL. Harrison is not injured. He is the top receiver on the top passing team. Truthfully, neither is really a risk. The question here is who do you think will be better. Ive watched Harrison play for years, and he has never been the fastest guy, but he has his moves and the best hands in football. If you get it within any kind of reach with him, he's going to bring it in. Betting against him not to put up his numbers is like betting the sun won't rise tomorrow. Is there a chance it won't happen? Yeah, but Im not bettin on it.


08-13-2007, 08:49 AM	#46
Bull Outlaw Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 558 vCash: 8942 Donate	You got it Hollywood. No one knows for sure what is going to happen, but an educated and proven guess is better than a WAG (wild ass guess).


08-15-2007, 09:12 PM	#47
Johnnytud5 Hillbilly Hustler Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Nap Town Posts: 5 vCash: 1025 Donate	No question about it, M.Harrison is the only go to guy.....Wayne will typically have more catches...but Harrison will have far more big plays......Harrison is counted on when its third and 2-3-4-5....Both very nice players. but watching them week after week....HARRISON is the man....


12-03-2007, 11:07 AM	#48
chrisslabaugh Thats Mr. Slabaugh to you Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,613 vCash: 35665 Donate Blog Entries: 3	I like to come gloat when I am right. (It happens so rarely) I don't think anyone can argue that Wayne was the correct choice here.


12-03-2007, 11:41 AM	#50
chrisslabaugh Thats Mr. Slabaugh to you Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,613 vCash: 35665 Donate Blog Entries: 3	Say it the right way?


12-03-2007, 02:58 PM	#52
chrisslabaugh Thats Mr. Slabaugh to you Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,613 vCash: 35665 Donate Blog Entries: 3	No Wayne was the correct choice. This was a thread for who was going to have a better year. Wayne had the better year thus Wayne was the correct choice. I am having a hard time understanding what you guys mean or how you are interpreting what that Harrison is the correct choice in the context of this thread?


12-03-2007, 03:30 PM	#53
Mike who me? Admin Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: L.A. (Lower Arkansas) Posts: 29,995 vCash: 14556561 Donate Blog Entries: 18	Wayne was the better receiver this year, before Marvin Harrison went down. Wayne was the better receiver last year, regardless what the stats ended up. Wayne led Harrison most of last season, until Manning started heavily focusing on Harrrison later in the season.


12-03-2007, 04:31 PM	#54
Coachnorm Bloggin' Outlaw Premium Member Forum Leader Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 12,342 vCash: 1280643 Donate Blog Entries: 14	Should have been debating about who is the better WR / CJ or Housh.