What is small to you? You think these parking lots are the size of Wendy's, Burger King or McDonald parking lots? Honey they are meant to house a large number of cars thus it is a big parking lot.

Zepp, just drop it. You are wrong and have shown yourself to be a fool. Stay with subjects you can remain objective about -- eliminating any mentioning the NY Giants, University of Miami, Terrell Owens (why you show such an interest in a guy that went to UT Chattanooga I can't understand), or the Mets.
When you are objective, you have shown yourself to be knowlegable, but this is not one of those situations.
Kellen Winslow's career is not going as well as he might have wanted it and he has a long, hard rehab to do before it can get going in the right direction again.
Enough said.

Lame, dude. Did you go to UM, too?

Ok. No. You have not proved that. Good try though.

Sorry, but you are incorrect once again. You are twisting the words around so they meld into what you want. It doesn't work like that. Using the word "while" is not appropriate here. The word "before" is much better journalistic reporting.

Take this for instance..... If I was driving and fell asleep at the wheel and crashed my car....would the article read:

"Westlake Police obtained a surveillance tape that showed GBG falling asleep at the wheel before hitting a curb at 35 mph."

OR ,would it read:

"Westlake Police obtained a surveillance tape that showed GBG falling asleep at the wheel while hitting a curb at 35 mph."

You can clearly see the difference and how the use of before is pertinent in the incident concerning Winslow.

You know its funny how all you haters love to rag on Winslow and say he was doing this and that...all the while not even knowing what happened. Then you say he was this and that...all the while not knowing what happened.

Well here you have it....video of winslow riding his bike. Couple things to point out first:

1). He was learning to ride the bike in the company of PROFESSIONALS!!!!! He was with a famous stunt team who actually do these things in traffic.

2). He was in a HUGE PARKING LOT!!! As you can see from the video the parking lot is very big and very EMPTY. Just another example of how responsible he was.

3). He is also shown wearing his helmet, something Big Ben won't do yet you guys won't come down on him.

4). There is NO VIDEO of him crashing. The ONLY REASON he is being fined is simply because he was doing wheelies. THATS IT!!! The video shows nothing of him crashing while doing a trick therefore it is absolutely impossible for the police report to be interpreted as he crashed DOING a trick. Again unless you are willing to accept that the police department, and the same cop, is contradicting himself.

Its clear he simply crashed while riding into a curb and not doing a trick.

Case closed.

http://www.wkyc.com/sports/browns_fu...y.asp?id=35231

Guess the U of M scholar couldn't even learn from the best, eh?

And why would the soljah hire STUNTmen to teach him to ride a bike?

I dunno, Winslow just doesn't look like the brightest candle on the cake here, Zepp. Repeat after me: FIVE MILLION DOLLARS

Even YOU ought to be able to see that this was a wreckless, IMMATURE, financially dehabilitating act.

If you can't see that, you're dumber than you post.....

First of all why not? they obviously know how to ride one. Second of all he didnt hire anybody. He met them at a show they were doing and they were willing to help him out after the show.
Yeah everything in hindsight looks easy.
No it wasnt immature. Again you guys want to misuse the english language and I won't participate in that. It wasn't immature...bad judgement? maybe although he did do a lot of responsible things and 1) used a big parking lot 2) wore a helmet and 3) was learning from the best. The fact that he fell is unfortunate. Bad judgement? Maybe...immature? Not even close.

Again I find it funny how you can rag on Winslow yet you wont say anything about Big Ben. You want to hear something immature? Big Ben sees Winslow crash...his coach tells him "dont ride anymore" his teammates tell him dont ride anymore. How does he respond? Im still going to ride. That sounds immature to me.

Incorrect. Re-watch the video, Zepp. It clearly states that he was trying to perform tricks that he had SEEN the professionals do just a couple of hours before in a show. They weren't there with him. Winslow even stated hiimself, "In hindsight it was unwise to attempt to learn to ride a motorcycle without a professional instructor in a controlled environment."


Although the parking lot was not small, is was doted in medians...that is why he had to be so close to the curb....there was not enough room....not an ideal place for someone who needed a lot of "free" space to perform immature stunts.

He was not wearing his helmet....he just had it placed on his head...it wasnt strapped on.

So, why do you automatically assume that he crashed while simply riding and not by hitting a curb? Since we can't see the video, I will be the smart one here and go by the police report that he hit a curb as a result of performing a "wheelie"

It was IM-motherfugging-MATURE, period.

Big Ben ought to be careful. Or, stop.

No video tapes of HIM trying to do immature-rookie-dumbass stunts.

Incorrect. Rewatch the video. There are medians but there are also tons and tons of open space. Fact is there WAS enough room a perfect place to do something like that. For you to continue to say that it was small is just downright laughable.


He was wearing his helmet and that is CLEARLY seen in the video.
Again that is not what the police report said. The police report did NOT say that he hit the curb as a result of performing a wheelie. The police report said that they saw him performing wheelies which is what you see here. There is NO VIDEO of him crashing. The police report DID say that he crashed while riding at around 35 mph. End of story.

Keep trying but the more evidence that comes out the more responsible Winslow looks.

Really? Why? Cuz you said so? Nevermind the definition of immature says nothing to what winslow did.
So then youre saying its ok to ride a bike if youre careful? Why cant you say that Big Ben is immature? His coaches and teammates asked him not to ride. He refuses. That sounds to me like something a child would do right? Why cant you say he's immature? By the way he rides his bike in traffic. What if someone hits him and he goes flying off no matter how safely he is riding? He doesnt seem to care about that so what do you call that?
No instead we have him pouting like a baby telling his BOSS that "waaa waaa waa Im going to do what I want and I wont wear a helmet either." Again what do you call that?

This is what I cant stand about you haters. youre biased and you have double standards. What winslow did was safe. He was in an empty big parking lot. What Ben is doing is more dangerous. He is riding around in traffic with no helmet and he is defying his coaches wishes and teammates wishes. So again if winslow is "immature" then what is Ben? And dont give me this shit that Ben is riding safely because we all damn well know that no matter how safe you drive you can still get into an accident by someone else hitting you. Ben is riding in traffic with no helmet on. Again please someone here show some consistency.

Yes, I see that there are tons and tons of open space....BUT, when you watch the video, his dunbass is performing stunts next to the curb. He's a moron for choosing curb-front propety in lieu of the wide open space.

And, by the way, you have misquoted me. I said "Although the parking lot was not small, is was doted in medians..."


No, he had it placed on his head...."wearing" would constitute that is was properly fastened....which it was not.


You're right. The police report said, "Westlake Police obtained a surveillance tape that showed him performing "wheelies" on the bike before hitting a curb at 35 mph and flying over the handlebars."

Thank you for admitting that you misquoted once again.

And all of that from what? 2 seconds of video tape?
thank you for admitting you were wrong.

I said wearing...wearing is different from properly and firmly fastened. Fact is he WAS wearing his helmet

Again all that quote says that they saw him performing wheelies at some moment in time before he crashed. How could they possibly say that he crashed doing a wheelie when the video doesnt show that. Thank you for proving me right.

I know thats what you said....and that is incorrect. It was placed on his head. An unsecured helmet does not offer substantial protection from a head injury.

Wrong. That's not what it said. Please reread.

Thanks for this wonderful display of ignorance, as it has brightened my day to prove you wrong....again.

Sorry he was wearing his helmet. Whether or not it was securely fastened is a different issue but you can NOT deny he was wearing his helmet.

yes it is
Whatever makes you feel better. Fact is I have been proven right.

Please watch the video in this link.... and watch where the skidmarks go all the way to the curb that he played "Tag, you're it" with.

http://www.wkyc.com/video/player_bro...&sid=34251&bw=

Case closed.

Winslow was an immature dumbass. You show your immaturity by defending the immature dumbass.


The Soljah was trying to be 'brave', admit it, Zepp. Both these guys are being immature IMO doing the motorcycle thing, risking $millions$.


Immature, just like your U of M scholar.....

Winslow was NOT safe. Winslow continues to show he is an immature punk - just the type of jackass you want to be your hero. Big Ben continues to ride his Harley against the wishes of others and risks millions of bucks - immature in my opinion as well.....

BTW, whenever you're losing an argument, you try to throw some sort of bias into it. Next time. take a good healthy look at yourself, Zepp, before you open your YAP. You're a hopeless bigot, no matter how much you try to hide it. Later, Hater.

Funny how the video just shows big wide open space in the parking lot and that they said "he was wearing his helmet..."

I win you lose.

DID YOU NOT SEE THE SKIDMARKS LEADING STRAIGHT TO THE CURB????

The rest doesn't matter...... you have been officially proven wrong.

Have a nice day.

Why was he immature? Because he rode a motorcycle?

Both these guys I guess means Ben huh? Fact is the Chosen One wasn't trying to be brave he was having fun riding a motorcycle and had an accident. It happens.

At least your consistent
Youre a hopeless conservative racist. Im not the one hating on anyone. You guys are the ones that seem to have a hard on for the Chosen One.