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Old 10-16-2007, 01:46 PM   #1
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Is Brett Favre really any good?

Records and milestones
Favre currently possesses a number of NFL records:

Most career passing touchdowns: 423
Most career pass completions: 5,181
Most career points by a quarterback: 2,622
Most career regular season wins by a starting quarterback: 152 (Regular season record: 151-91)
Most consecutive seasons with 20 or more touchdown passes: 12 (1994-2005)
Most consecutive seasons with 30 or more touchdown passes: 5 (1994-1998) For perspective, only five other quarterbacks in NFL history have recorded at least two consecutive 30-touchdown passing seasons in their careers: Steve Bartkowski, Dan Fouts, Dan Marino, Jeff Garcia, Y.A. Tittle.
Most seasons with 30 or more touchdown passes: 8 (1994-1998, 2001, 2003-2004)
Most seasons leading the league in touchdown passes: 4 (1995-1997,2003)
Most consecutive 3,000+ yards passing seasons: 15 (1992-2006)
Most consecutive 300+ completion seasons: 15 (1992-2006)
Most AP NFL MVP awards: 3 (1995, 1996, 1997)
Most consecutive starts by a quarterback: 243 (263 including playoffs)
Longest touchdown pass: 99 yards (to Robert Brooks, 1995) (tied with several others)
Most career pass attempts: 8,470
Most touchdown passes in a single stadium (record set at Lambeau Field)
Most career starts by a quarterback: 243
Most career interceptions thrown by a quarterback: 279
Most career wins and second in record by a starting quarterback, regular season and playoffs combined: 163-100 (Elway, 162-90-1)
Most career games at the quarterback position: 247 Earl Morrall, 255 and George Blanda, 340 played more games, but most of their games were as kickers only.
Favre also continues to close in on several NFL career records. As of the end of Week 5 of the 2007 NFL season, Favre stands at:

Second in career passing yards: 59,215 (Marino, 61,361)
Second in single stadium passing yards (Record set at Lambeau Field) (Elway, 27,889 - Mile High Stadium)
Second in most career 20 touchdown seasons by a quarterback: 12 (Marino, 13)
Second in career consecutive starts by an NFL player: 243 (Jim Marshall, 270)
Second in games with at least 3 touchdown passes: 60 (Marino, 62)
From 2002 to 2004, Favre threw a touchdown pass in 36 consecutive games, the second longest streak ever behind Johnny Unitas' 47.

In addition, Favre owns a number of team records, having printed his name into almost every passing category in the annals of Green Bay Packers history.


Consecutive starts
Considered the Iron Man of the NFL, Favre is one of two NFL players to have started every game his team has played over the past 15-year period (the other being punter Jeff Feagles). Brett Favre is currently in first place for consecutive NFL games started by a quarterback. During the first 200 straight games started by Favre, 178 other quarterbacks started in the NFL, eleven of them being back-ups to Favre at one point.

There are 23 QB's in the HOF (modern era) and only three have a better TD to INT ratio than Brett Favre:

Steve Young 2.17
Joe Montana 1.96
Dan Marino 1.67
Favre 1.53

Other notable-- Aikman 1.17.....Blanda 0.85.....Bradshaw 1.01.....Elway 1.33.....Starr 1.10.....Staubach 1.40.....Tarkenton 1.29.....Namath 0.79.....Unitas 1.15...........

As for TD's per pass attempt:

Young 1/17.88
Montana 1/19.75
Marino 1/19.90
Favre 1/19.89

10 out of the 23 QB's in the HOF threw at least 220 INT’s. Of those that threw less than 220 INT’s the most TD's by one of the remaining 13 is 273 (149 less than Favre).

Of those 13 - 8 did not throw even 200 TD's.

Career awards

Honors and awards
Favre has won the Associated Press's MVP Most Valuable Player (MVP) Award three times, all in consecutive years (1995, 1996, and 1997; the last shared with Barry Sanders).
In 1999, he was ranked number 82 on The Sporting News' list of the 100 Greatest Football Players. In 2005, TSN published another special feature honoring the 50 Greatest Quarterbacks. With his career statistics considerably augmented, Favre was ranked number 4, behind Johnny Unitas, Joe Montana and John Elway, and just ahead of previous Packer quarterback legend Bart Starr.
Favre has been selected to play in the Pro Bowl eight times in his career.
A 6-time All-Pro selection.
Favre was named to the NFL 1990s All-Decade Team.
Wisconsin Governor Jim Doyle declared November 29, 2004 as Brett Favre Day to honor Favre's 200th consecutive NFL regular season start. That night, the Packers defeated the St. Louis Rams on Monday Night Football.
Men's Health Magazine voted Favre the "Toughest Person in America" in 2003
Established the 'Brett Favre Fourward Foundation’ in 1996; in conjunction with his annual golf tournament, celebrity softball game and fundraising dinners, foundation has donated more than $2 million to charities in his home state of Mississippi as well as to those in his adopted state of Wisconsin
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Some info I gleaned from the internets

I think he will go down as being perty good!

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Old 10-16-2007, 01:47 PM   #2
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Old 10-16-2007, 02:21 PM   #5
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Posted September 23, 2007

Pete Dougherty column: If you accept risk, Favre will reward


By Pete Dougherty

Early in the 1993 season, Steve Mariucci taped a picture of a dead horse on his office wall.


Mariucci was the Green Bay Packers' quarterbacks coach, and for more than a year, he'd admonished quarterback Brett Favre countless times in practice and meetings about not throwing interceptions, about taking a checkdown rather than a high-risk pass. Eventually, backup quarterback Ty Detmer started harping at Mariucci, "You're beating a dead horse, you're beating a dead horse."


Up went the picture, and when watching film, if Favre threw a bad interception, Mariucci would point to it rather than say anything. That lasted through the 1995 season, when Mariucci left to become head coach at the University of California.


"Ty would laugh, and (Mark) Brunell, 'Nice throw, Brett, way to go dead horse,'" Mariucci said this week. "Beating a dead horse. He's a dandy."


Mariucci probably felt more of former coach Mike Holmgren's wrath for Favre's interceptions than Favre. Mariucci did most of the hands-on coaching with Favre, and during games, his headset was hooked to Holmgren's. Holmgren held Mariucci responsible when the young gunslinger went too far.


"I can't tell you how many times Mike Holmgren, when I'm up in the box because I'm on the phones with Mike, was like, 'What is he doing?' " Mariucci said. "And it would be quiet, because I didn't know what to tell him. It was hard to explain what he was doing sometimes. But when you looked up, he was usually winning the game for you. Even in his young years, he made the Pro Bowl, and even in his young years, he never had a losing season. So what he was doing was playing quarterback to help us win."


There's no question Favre deserves his reputation as a gunslinger. He's been a high risk-reward player all of his career, and as his 149-90 record suggests, the rewards have been much greater than the risks.


However, as Favre closes in on the NFL records for touchdown passes (he's four away from breaking Dan Marino's record of 420) and interceptions (three shy of topping George Blanda's 277), this is a good time to investigate just how costly Favre's risk-taking has been, at least based on the ample numerical evidence.


Perhaps surprisingly, he comes out OK when judged by interception percentage, which is the number of interceptions a quarterback throws per 100 passes. The numbers say he's a significantly bigger risk-taker than two all-time great quarterbacks of his era, Joe Montana and Steve Young, but he's not much worse than top contemporaries John Elway, Dan Marino and Troy Aikman.


First, remember that Favre ranks a close second to Marino for the most pass attempts in NFL history — his 8,303 to Marino's 8,358. So, even though Favre has thrown 275 interceptions, his interception percentage of 3.31 per 100 passes is half that of Blanda's (6.91), and significantly lower than the No. 3 man on the interception list, John Hadl (5.72).


Comparing Favre to quarterbacks from 30 years ago or more has limited value, for two reasons. Most importantly, the rules changes restricting contact with receivers and liberalizing the use of hands in pass blocking undoubtedly has reduced interceptions in the last 30 years. There's no knowing how many interceptions were caused by defensive backs knocking receivers off their routes downfield.


Also, in recent years, teams have placed an even greater premium on avoiding turnovers, which probably helps account for the league-wide average of interception percentage to drop from 3.90 in 1989 to 3.17 last year.


A look at several all-time great quarterbacks bears that out. For instance, Bart Starr, who's considered one of the smartest quarterbacks in league history, had an interception percentage of 4.38, a full percentage point worse than Favre's 3.31. The all-time greats from those earlier eras also were worse, including: Otto Graham (6.00), Johnny Unitas (4.88), Fran Tarkenton (4.11), Joe Namath (5.85), Terry Bradshaw (5.38), Len Dawson (4.89), Bob Griese (5.02), Norm Van Brocklin (6.12), Sammy Baugh (6.78), Bobby Layne (6.58) and Sonny Jurgensen (4.43).


Compared to top contemporaries, on the other hand, Favre's numbers say he's more interception-prone than many, but not by much when compared to most.


To give a general idea, last season, NFL quarterbacks on average threw 3.17 interceptions per 100 passes. That's barely better than Favre's career mark of 3.31. To put it another way, Favre in his career has thrown one more interception per 700 passes than all quarterbacks threw last year.


Of Hall of Fame contemporaries, Joe Montana and Steve Young were by far the most efficient. Both have an interception percentage of 2.58, which is notably better than Favre's 3.31. But when compared to Marino (3.02), Elway (3.12) and even the precision-oriented Troy Aikman (2.99), Favre is worse, but not much.


Essentially, for every 300 passes in their careers, Favre threw one more interception than Aikman, Marino and Elway. Even Phil Simms, who wasn't a Hall of Famer but was an excellent game manager and Super Bowl winner, essentially had the same interception percentage (3.40) as Favre.


Among other Hall of Fame contemporaries, Favre rates similarly or marginally better: Warren Moon (3.41 percent), Dan Fouts (3.38) and Jim Kelly (3.66).


Among the younger generation of top quarterbacks, Favre rates significantly worse than New England's Tom Brady (2.53 percent) and, to a lesser extent, Indianapolis' Peyton Manning (2.84 percent). Brady's done it without anything like Manning's offensive weapons.


Several other good current quarterbacks rate much better than Favre: Philadelphia's Donovan McNabb, who's nearly a full percentage point better (2.19 percent); Tampa Bay's Jeff Garcia (2.42 percent), Baltimore's Steve McNair (2.63 percent), Seattle's Matt Hasselbeck (2.73 percent), and New Orleans' Drew Brees (2.74 percent). But how many of those players are headed to the Hall of Fame? None. How many of them have had a career anything close to Favre's? Again, none.


This isn't to argue that Favre's style of play doesn't have a big downside. Anyone who's watched the Packers the last 16 years knows he's a bigger gambler than most. But for all the crazy plays, he's really no more interception-prone than the average NFL quarterback. As his record bears out, the risks have come with a high reward. Favre last week topped Elway for the NFL's record for career wins (149), and since the AFL-NFL merger in 1970, he has the eighth-highest winning percentage (.621) among quarterbacks with 100 starts. Ahead of him are Montana (.713), Bradshaw (.677), Ken Stabler (.661), Young (.657), Manning (.644), Elway (.643) and Kelly (.631). Brady, who is 72-24, will be atop that list after his 100th game.


That, more than anything, will be Favre's legacy.


He won with fewer weapons, arguably, than all those ahead of him on that post-merger winning percentage list except for Brady. He lost sometimes because of that style — the interception he threw in overtime in the playoff loss at Philadelphia in the '03 season is Exhibit No. 1. But perhaps the play that epitomizes his career wasn't even a pass, but the 9-yard touchdown run against Atlanta in 1993 that beat the Falcons 21-17 and clinched the Packers' first playoff berth of the Favre era. It came on a third down, with the Packers down by three, after Holmgren told Favre he couldn't run or get sacked, because with no timeouts the Packers wouldn't have had time to kick the game-tying field goal.


One Packers scout remembers former kicker Chris Jacke summing up that play: "It was sheer stupidity and sheer brilliance, all in the same play."


"It was a lot like the decisions he made in the passing game," Mariucci said.


"'It's gonna be close. I'm gonna pull the trigger but it's gonna be close. I'll probably get it but there is a chance I won't.' The last thing Mike wanted to see was him running the ball. He wanted another down. But there he goes. He made it."

Pete Dougherty covers the Packers for the Press-Gazette.
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He doesnt get the respect he deserves. I am glad I was able to read all those stats and appropriate stats of people behind him. You got to take the BAD with the good and brett can win you a game even after throwing 3 int.
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Favre gets most of the negative comments sent his way because of the negative stats he has. There is much more involved in those stats than just Favre did, there have been many people play a role in them. It is visually what he did on the field that makes him great.

Lost in it all is that he has had a constant rotation of wide receivers and running backs plugged into this offense, and over the last half of his career, a good amount of bad coaching and bad offensive lines.

In addition, look at how many running backs and receivers have been pro-bowl caliber when they played with Favre, then went elsewhere in free agency and became average players.

Another good measuring stick would be to ask the guys who have played with Favre during their career, and also played elsewhere. Pin those guys down to an answer after their careers are over and you will have nearly 100% of them say Favre was the best quarterback they played with, by far.

I think if you took all of the quarterbacks in history, removed Favre from the Packers,and replaced him with any of these guys, you would have one that would have the same success, John Elway.

No disrespect to quarterbacks like Montana, Young, Marino, Aikman, and some greatest from farther back in NFL history, but to me Elway and Favre are 1a and 1b, then the rest follow.
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Old 10-30-2007, 04:39 PM   #12
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Favre is the genuine article. He is the Real thing. He is what the NFL is suppose to be about. He can't help all of the accolaids that come his way from the Announcers, and he has faced their bullets too. Most of what they say is deserved, though overplayed.
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I will tell you what....this year is really, really starting to feel like Pittsburgh's year when Bettis admitted he was retiring. Favre is playing really well in the system, and not taking huge stupid chances. If their defense can hold up.......Dallas ain't making the superbowl.
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Superbowl would shock me, unless they can actually develop a running game.

And last night doesn't count, everyone runs on Denver

They are supposed to be moving away from RBBC though. Coach thought it was a good idea, but has decided against it.
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maybe Favre has a girlfriend in the stands today
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Thanks Mojo! I need to update that Favre now has thrown for more yards than Marino, and broke a couple of other records since I posted this. I just can't remember which ones are left. You're starting to piss me off though, acting like you own this place.
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