Maybe 3 more championships will prove to the few doubters that still exist that tallent, hard work, and dedication are what wins... and it has nothing to do with cameras.

Then why do it?

Also, I would've agreed with this not being a big deal if Goodell in the offseason (and again a week before the regular season) hadn't went out of his way to make sure that every team knew not to do this. He covered it in the offseason and then sent out a special memo on it the week before the regular season. BB knew it and said, "fuck it" I'll do it anyway. It's like talking to a toddler. If you told a toddler not to do something yesterday and he does it today, you remind him, but if he turns around and does the exact same thing right after you've told him, you have to discipline.
Mangini WAS absolutely being a cry baby about this (I hate him as much as I hate BB), but that doesn't excuse BB. The Pats may put up 100 on the J-E-T-S, and I hope they do, but that doesn't take away from the fact that the Pats cheated, got caught, and now have to deal with everything that goes along with that.

Then why cheat?.....and there are more than just a few.

I agree 100% Bull. I was disapointed with the whole thing to say the least.
Belichick was stupid to do it and he had to know Mangini would be wise to it.
The only reason I can think Belichick did it was because he is a film freak. He's been breaking down film since he was a kid and his dad coaced at Navy.
He says that the video was to be used in the "offseason" which would be within the rules since it stated that ".... videotaping signals for use during the course of the game". I don't belive that for a munite. If anything it was to be used tor the next time they met this season.

Still stupid, unnesisary, and I'm sure he regrets it about as much as anything he's ever done. It still doesn't excuse it.

Do you really think he regrets it? Seriously? Or do you think he regrets only getting caught? He doesn't seem to have an ounce of shame, or regret to me, but I'm asking you.

Yeah, he certainly hasn't said it or even shown much remorse. I can't see how he couldn't regret doing it though as no one can seem to figure out what was to be gained.
He only had some lame statement apologizing to the team and team owner.
Maybe he still thinks that what he did was within the rules. I hope not.
Or by admitting fault he shows weakness and loses respect from his players. He is too smart to let that happen.

Or maybe (and I know I'm going out on a limb here) he's just an arrogent prick who can't admit when he's wrong and can't accept the fact that he has an authority figure above him.
I do have one question though since this is the "Colts cheating" thread. Why does everyone (including me) think Mangini was being a big baby for accusing the Pats of cheating, but don't have any problem with Jonathon Kraft (the Pats owner's son) crying about how loud the stadium was?

Since we have detoured back to the Patriots cheating incident...

Here is my problem with that situation, and how people who say it meant nothing bothers me.

None of us, and none of the media know what Belichick and the Patriots had. We know they were videotaping after being told not to, but we do not know, and will never know what all the Patriots were doing, and what all they had, because Goodell had it destroyed, which was a big mistake. Actually, I can't help but think it was a mistake at all. I think it was done on purpose.

Fact - Goodell and Kraft are close. That being said, I can't help but think that the Patriots had stuff that Goodell did not want the media finding out about. The best way to protect a friends reputation as much as possible is to destroy any and all evidence before ANYBODY gets a chance to see it for themselves.

And now, to see Patriots fans trying to run with a bogus cheating claim like the crowd noise claim, after a cheating team complains about it, just makes me laugh. There are still people out there believing this noise thing actually happened, even after the network said it was on their end, not something going on at the stadium.

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I'm bumping this only because I'd like to hear a response on the cry baby thing.

I'm surprised that none of the ex-coaches or players are able to tell us how recording signals could be such an advantage.
It's easy to say "they broke the rules, they had an unfair advantage"... but what exactly was the "advantage"? How did they use this information?
- Even if the Pats coaches were able to miraculously "de-code" the signals during the 12 min. halftime, (like they had nothing else to do at the half), how could they benifit from it since the offense makes thier substatutions and play calls before the defense decides on thiers?
- And I believe at some point, as the play clock winds down (at 17 seconds?), the coach to QB comunication is turned off. How could the QB know what adible to call or what protection assignment to dish out after the 17 second mark?
- and wouldn't any good D cordinator assume he is being studied (especially since there are people paid to do it on his own staff) and mix up / change signals during the course of the game?
I certainly don't know enugh about this stuff but I wish someone would clue us in.
Unfortunatly we may never know what the hell Belichick was thinking.

I agree. If Kraft Jr. was at the game then what the hell was he hearing? I can't imagine he could hear the TV in the owners box over all that crowd noise. Someone must have tipped him off from outside the stadium. Definate whiner move.
Monday AM some of the players were asked about the noise and all they could say was "it was loud". No one heared a skip.

Glenn, are you ignoring the question about the loud stadium or what?

Ha.. look up.

sorry. your post didn't appear until after I had sent mine.

How many cheaters do you know that only cheat one way? Either you are a cheater or you are not. He is a proven cheater. I can just hear him at coaches meetings "We can't do that! That would be unethical. We are only going to cheat this one way."

So to recap,

We have the Pats cheating and ignoring mandates from the commish, ignorantly playing their studs when the game is already in hand, and accusing another team of cheating because their stadium was loud and was only loud when the Pats were on the field.
Does that all sound about right?

No.......Dungy's a damn Christian!!!!


....and I am kidding

well as far as little Kraft asking for the "skip" to be looked into... I don't think thats much worse than Polian complaining to the league that the Pats DB's were to rough on his WR's a few years back. The league went so far as to re-emphasize the rule to the refs... and now it probably benifits the Patriots more than the Colts.

...not quite the same. The Colts hadn't already been caught cheating and what the Pats were doing (not accused of doing), by definition, was a penalty.

Penalty's are a form of cheating, that's why they're illegal. Kraft complained, not the Colts as a team, I want that point clear. Brady and BB didn't complain about it, and in the end, the players and the coaches are the only one that matters.

Personally, I think the Pats front office is using the cheating scandal to their advantage to dispel the belief that the team had no personality. Now they are the classic bad guys of the NFL, and that's always good for business.