Your entitled to your opinion.....but a lot of the times Indy goes 3 WR....Clark is the 3rd WR. You may be right, but I tend to think you'll be wrong

I know Heap is injury waiting to happen but should be considered.

Bennett is a great blocker. He set some record for knockdown blocks per game as a TE, and is able to face the DE's, and the DT's. Sounds like the kid is a real hard worker. I just remembered your TE Schefler with the shake up at Wr in Denver... What type of role will he have this year? He can amass yards.

He could be HUGE - if he can stay healthy, and so far that seems to be difficult for him.

Hey Bomb I might move Miller back to 8 or 9!

Wanted to get all of your thoughts on the rookie TE/WR the jets traded up to get, Dustin Keller. Big strong guy with great hands. Could he be this years Colston? Realizing Colston was a second day guy and Keller is a first rounder but i mean in terms of talent and matchup nightmares will he have success as teams are busy guarding Coles and Cotchery>?

In a Martz' offense the TE usually disappears, but I would think he will have to try to figure out how to bring out his untapped potential.

When it comes to drafting him as my starter, I will look to see how often he gets thrown to in pre-season. If he gets a lot of looks I may consider him, but I doubt either will happen. Staying healthy has been a concern for him early in his career also.

I say no, in fact, no way. The comparison is not a good one, IMO. Keller is a TE, always was supposed to be. Doesn't have the speed to play receiver. Plus Keller walks into a situation where there's already two great receivers as well as a pair of established TEs in front of him (Baker, Franks). I think he'll struggle to see the field for a good part of the season, and even when he does, he's not someone I'd even touch in a redraft league, no matter what the size. The opportunity simply isn't there.

The Jets, knowing the depth that they had at WR and TE still traded up to get him. I mean he can not block so it makes me think that they may have drafted him to play the slot, considering the weak arm of Chad maybe they will get some underneath looks for him. No one thought Colston was going to be Colston until like 6 games of solid production. I am not saying he should be drafted but since we are talking about TE I just wanted to see how people see him fitting in. Maybe in a Dallas Clark type role?

I really don't understand forcing a Colston comparison, but I certainly feel his floor is that of Scheffler with a ceiling of Winslow. TEs that don't block much.

Look for Carlson to finish the year #10 to #15 TE

Heath Miller was #7 in most of my leagues already last year with his 566/7 performance. This came in a new offense, with the entire team on a bit of a big learning curve. His best season in his 3 year career. I don't see anything that indicates this guy is going to do anything but get better after having a full year in this system.

Now, that there has been some time to think about it since this thread started:

1. Jason Witten - He came close to 100 receptions last year, could go over that this year as he isn't expected to be held back to block nearly as often.
2. Antonio Gates - All he did was land just shy of 1000 yards last year, and got into the endzone 9 times.
3. Kellen Winslow - Regardless who is throwing the ball from week to week in Cleveland this year, 80+ are going into the hands of Winslow
4. Tony Gonzalez - The guy is clearly getting past his prime by now, isn't he? You might drop him off the radar, but I'm not.
5. Chris Cooley - Every year, this guy continues to look more and more like the top tight end he was projected to be. Should be a little better once again this season.
6. Heath Miller - 2nd year in a new system, should so noticeable improvement in 2008 over what was a good year in 2007.
7. Owen Daniels - This is a key target for Schaub, not so much for Rosenfels. Going on the assumption that Schaub can stay on the field this year, and that Daniels will see more redzone looks.
8. Tony Scheffler - A better Jay Cutler = a better Tony Scheffler.
9. Jeremy Shockey - You need a backup because this guy is going to get hurt at some point in the season, but produces well when healthy.
10. Todd Heap - Color me a little skeptical because this guy is ALWAYS injured, but on the assumption he can at least get on the field from week to week, he finishes out my current top 10.

For all I am concerned, you can flip a coin with the top 4 of Witten, Gates, Winslow, and Gonzalez. Those are my first tier tight ends, and I could see arguments to put any of them as #1 this year.

5-8 (Cooley, Miller, Daniels, Scheffler, ) are my 2nd tier of tight ends, all of whom have the outside shot of putting up tier 1 numbers, but not nearly as likely as the current top 4.

Shockey and Heap, excellent tight end options if you want to screw around with the injury risk. Last year, Heap missed most of the season. The year before, he was listed as questionable for every game of the year. As or Shockey, is there ever a game where something isn't hurting on this guy?

Bold for a Rookie. What are your thoughts?

I'm digging it all until you leave out Clark???? He should be right by Cooley.

Clark is a guy I considered ahead of Shockey and Heap, and he may still find himself there.

With Clark though, I have to assume a healthy Harrison, and an improved Gonzalez. And with 3 healthy and productive receivers, I have to default back a little to 2004-2006 patterns, where the top tight end was more of a 400-4 guy. The loss of Harrison, and inexperience of Gonzalez, opened up opportunities for Dallas Clark that I don't think will be there this year.

I am sorry Deuce, but I agree with Da Bomb. I think they reached up to get Keller because Baker and company won't make it past next year. I won't be too awful surprised if Baker is a june 1 canidate to cut due to his whining on contract. But Bubba and baker will keep Keller on the bench I think...and Baker was no real huge help anyways..so why would Keller be much better for you?

As for questions about Vernon Davis, I have more questions regarding the 9ers offense as a whole than I do the abilities of Vernon Davis. Quarterback position is too much of a question to feel comfortable with any tight end or receiver on that roster right now.

Just remember..when that happened most was when Gonzales had injury..then Harrison did. Not when both were healthy.

I got him in the 3rd round of our dynasty draft this year....love what he could be in that offense!!

Keller is in an entirely different class of anything the Jets have had at that position, and will improve that passing game quite a bit as a rookie. This is, by far, my top rookie TE, in a redraft or dynasty league.