Not going to argue with value too much, as rookie's are too iffy anyways. But did you ever see Keller play? As a big 10 alum I follow alot if big 10 games. He has talent..but he isn't a huge target, and his speed is not that good. Only time will tell, but I don't think he will be another Scheffler...who also came from Purdue.

nah, you know me, I never watch football.

Changes to Seahawks this Season;


Seattle is a "pass to set up the run" offense. Holmgren has always used the TE quite a bit when he had a good one. They do not have much else for recievers and have a good OLine so there is not much need to keep him in blocking. I think Carlson will get a lot of opportuities to prove himself

A little bit of Dustin Keller

Solid stuff. I still see a basement of 600 and 6, from here on out.

Well with the improvement of the offensive line I feel that the Jets TE (whomever it be) will not have to stay in and block as much as last year. Although the numbers do not support my theory as Baker had his best year last year I still feel that the TE is the position where Chad can throw his little 5 yard passes to. Maybe Keller will be the TE of the future and benefit from the veterans at his position. Everything that I have read on Keller seems to make me think he will be a good fantasy TE, maybe not this year maybe in the future. We will see...

I can see that. And 600/6 used to make you a top 5 tight end. These days, it makes you a "bubble guy" in the top 10. And personally, I am glad to see it because far too many times, 3/4 of a fantasy leagues was left without a viable starter at tight end due to there only being 3, maybe 4 options that were worth drafting.

personally i absolutely love john carlson and think hes going to make an impact immediately as you suggest. hes got great hands and always seems to find the soft spot in the zone underneath, and hes a good blocker as well. that being said, i think he'll be a better player in real life than in fantasy. i think he'll be very hit or miss, up and down, and never enough yards any given game to matter as a starter unless he gets that TD. he's like a newer version of heath miller to me. i still say you are missing out at TE stability points if you dont get one of those top tier guys. its not as big a dropoff as 5 or 10 years ago but its still a pretty noticeable difference, as much as a dropoff at any other position.

im with mojo on dallas clark. he is another of those bubble top 10 borderline guys. now you might say you could get great production by taking a combo of like dallas clark and dustin keller, two guys who finish with top 15 #s, and that i wasted my pick on winslow.

heres the thing with TEs though. other than those top few who are getting consistently high yardage, the others are *extremely* hit or miss. no this was not true of clark last year but only because he got a ton of TDs with so many teammates on the injured list. but for someone like heath miller for example, those TDs will come when you have no idea -- who can predict when a TE is going to catch a 3 yard out at the goal line? and some of them will come in 2 TD weeks as well. thats great for that week but now youre down to 4 TDs for the other 15 weeks. its the old bubba franks feast or famine mode. its not nearly as strong as it used to be, but thats why i still say guys like gates and winslow who get there 60 yards each week are an extremely valuable commodity.

You missed one thing in my post though MOJO. I did say basement. That is my worst case, in my opinion, and being a bubble guy with basement numbers isn't too shabby. I feel he will perform above his basement. I will come clean and say I have his ceiling at only 150 yards more, but with 8 td's. I like the production in between there, and where he will be available in drafts.

I will have to keep my eye on this. They are really thin at Wr now and this might be where those yards go.

Anyone have any thoughts on Lee in Green Bay? Will Rodgers need to use the TE more? I feel Lee will improve this year. He had 575 and 5 Td's last year. Any improvement would move him into MOJO's bubble. I like him as a #2 TE target at will in the drafts.

i like lee as well. hes another one of those guys in my 8-15ish TE range. all doable, but all guys id like to have as a backup, or that id take on my team only if i was pretty loaded elsewhere. another one of those guys whose season end numbers will stack up decently, but not necessarily a lot of consistency.

i just cant emphasize that enough. if youve got a TE that puts up 550/6 and you are platooning him with a guy that has 450/5.... you probably think you've got yourself a good situation. but lets say you play the second guy when you figure he's got a better matchup, and the first guy ends up puttnig up 75 yards and a pair of scores that day. well youre going to end up with a "top 10 TE" now, but youre only getting 474/4 out of him.

i did the same thing in a league last year where i had favre and big ben at QB. both of them ended up in the top 6, but i ended up having like the 8th or 9th most QB points because i kept making bad choices / getting unlucky with decisions there.

so if you DO end up with one of those lower end TEs, i say at least play him every week so you get all the numbers. just too much up in the air otherwise.

This is good stuff! I never thought of it this way. I just don't know if I could discipline myself to do it. We always think we know whats best week to week.

This is an outstanding topic that I feel deserves a thread of it's own. I had the same issue last year with Brees and Hasselbeck. Brees was my obvious #1 but just killed me through the first 3 weeks. Next thing I know, Matt is my guy and now Brees is lighting is up. I spent far too many Sunday afternoons punching myself in the fun bag because I'm an idiot.
So what do you do? You have to decide between 2 WRs. One guy is an allstar like Housh, but he's playing a top 5 pass defense. The other guy is a #2 option or a guy like Javon Walker in Oakland but he's playing a bottom 5 pass defense. Do you play the statistics game or always stick with your stud?

you start your best guys, if they are clearly better guys. They generally find a way to perform, no matter who they are up against.