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Old 07-15-2008, 10:32 AM   #1
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Pats QB Tom Brady: First Round Value?

Tom Brady is envoking a lot of Hype, first rounder says many folks. The Hypers say, don't worry we only think Brady will get 44 TDs this year we are not unrealistic. Try more like 30.
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Old 07-15-2008, 10:38 AM   #2
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No QB is ever a first round value for me. I do think he'll be in the 35-40 TD range, but even at that, I'll pass and find value later on for QB.
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Old 07-15-2008, 10:41 AM   #3
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Personally I think the best value at QB in the early rounds is either in Romo at the beginning of the third or Brees in the 4th sometime
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I like Big Ben in the 5th, allwing me to land 2 rb's and 2wr's , before diving in the Qb pool. If choosing between Romo and brees, I'dwait the exrtra round and grab brees in the 4th.
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I like Big Ben in the 5th, allwing me to land 2 rb's and 2wr's , before diving in the Qb pool. If choosing between Romo and brees, I'dwait the exrtra round and grab brees in the 4th.
I agree RC, only once have I taken a QB before the 4th round (Culpepper in 04 @ 2.15 I think) and I usually wait until the 5th and load up at RB and WR. The Culpepper pick was a homerun that particular year, but I've seen plenty of high QB picks hold a team back from a playoff run.
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Out of the top 6 QB's, my favorite values are Palmer (I know ), Brees, and Roeth.
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Out of the top 6 QB's, my favorite values are Palmer (I know ), Brees, and Roeth.
I'd take Palmer off the list in favor of Anderson.
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I like Anderson, but I dont know where he will be playing after this season. Bet on solid and steady with Palmer.
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Old 07-15-2008, 02:25 PM   #9
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I'd take Palmer off the list in favor of Anderson.
On a guy who has done it for ONE year?!?! Seriously?
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Anderson over Palmer?? Are you joking?? I honestly have Anderson as my 7th-9th QB. I know that sounds ridiculously low to some of you but it's reality. When I spend a pick in the 1st 6 rounds on a QB he better be a proven commodity. I'd rather have Hass or McNabb over Anderson.
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Tom Brady is envoking a lot of Hype, first rounder says many folks. The Hypers say, don't worry we only think Brady will get 44 TDs this year we are not unrealistic. Try more like 30.
What if your leagues scoring for QBs is set to 1 pt/20 yards, 6 pts/TD? Is a 1st round pick on Brady still a stretch?
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Brady was a 400-500 point performer last year. Lots of systems are projecting this guy at 380-440 points. Absolutely a guy of that power is a 1st round pick, if you look at getting the most points.
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What if your leagues scoring for QBs is set to 1 pt/20 yards, 6 pts/TD? Is a 1st round pick on Brady still a stretch?
Yes.
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Yes.
No. Depends on the value. Your drafting to win here.

If a guy thats going to give you 400 points is on the board and the other available guys are only going to give you 320-340, Youd be dumb to pass on him, especially late in the 1st approaching the turn, when your can sew up a good RB and GREAT QB.
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What if your leagues scoring for QBs is set to 1 pt/20 yards, 6 pts/TD? Is a 1st round pick on Brady still a stretch?
Yes, You have to look at comparative value. All QBs in this league score at the same higher rate and relate to each other in the same way. Brady scores more in this system but so does Garrard or Rivers. Bigger numbers but the same relative performance to every other QB as in a league with more conservative scoring.
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Yes, You have to look at comparative value. All QBs in this league score at the same higher rate and relate to each other in the same way. Brady scores more in this system but so does Garrard or Rivers. Bigger numbers but the same relative performance to every other QB as in a league with more conservative scoring.
Good point, but with this scoring it makes the QB the most valuable position. With 1 point per 20 yards and 6 point TDs I want a top 5 QB. All the WR and RB depth in the world won't get you victories against opponents when you have Cutler against their Brady/Manning/Brees/Palmer/Big Ben/Romo.

Oh, and in this league there is a 2 point bonus at 300 yards
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How can the performance be the same if Brady is out producing not only the RBs and WRs available then, but the QBs as well.
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Good point, but with this scoring it makes the QB the most valuable position. With 1 point per 20 yards and 6 point TDs I want a top 5 QB. All the WR and RB depth in the world won't get you victories against opponents when you have Cutler against their Brady/Manning/Brees/Palmer/Big Ben/Romo.

Oh, and in this league there is a 2 point bonus at 300 yards
Ah, bonus points help a lot as other QBs may not be reaching that level of performance often. This is an aspect of scoring that gives Brady a scoring advantage that the other QB may not see.

I like the Idea of having a top 5 QB in this system too. But do I still go Brady in the first? I noticed when you mentioned QBs you need to have in this system you mentioned 6 QBs. I will grab one of the other 5 a little later thank you.
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I noticed when you mentioned QBs you need to have in this system you mentioned 6 QBs. I will grab one of the other 5 a little later thank you.
I agree. I would say those are my target QBs. I want to have one of those guys but I don't want to pay a high price for them.
So lets say I pick 7th in this 10 team league.
1.07 for Brady. Nope.
2.04 for Peyton? Maybe. 2.04 for Romo? Nope.
3.07 for Romo? HELL YES. 3.07 for Palmer? Maybe
4.04 for Palmer? HELL YES. 4.04 for Brees? Yes. 4.04 for Big Ben? Nope
5.07 for Big Ben? Yes sir.

The way it looks is that I need the pace of the draft to be take the shape of RB/RB like many drafts do if I want one of these guys at a good price.
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whats available at 1.07 in lieu of Brady ER?

Can you justify giving up the points?
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