sam gado wasnt the clear starting going into the next season. and also im not sure what your point is about the blocking. so what if it is the system? im sure it is, its not like im trying to argue ryan grant is just a superstar talent. but green bay isnt changing their blocking scheme, so why not assume their RBs will be quality again? or if youre worried, pick up bjax in the last round of your draft -- i havent seen him go in any draft yet.

My only point was that not only did Grant produce in the system, but that Jackson did as well. And that in that system, a lot dogs can look good. And that its possible Jackson could seriously cut into Grant's carries once the nuances of the pro game catch up to his natural talents.

fair enough. i still dont agree that jackson "produced" in that system. for 74 carries last season, he had 223 yards and just 1 TD. thats about 3 yards even per carry. that is abysmal for an NFL rb. just because he hit a big hole and ran free for 46 yards ONE time doesnt tell me that jackson produced in the system. it tells me that a fast guy is bound to get lucky 1 in 75 tries.

I'm picking up what the Big O is laying down here. However, I have to point out the money spent on Grant. If McCarthy was gonna go all Shanahan and proclaim any RB will do, then Grant would have found he's worth less.

Both Grant and Rodgers ARE the goods.

A point against this logic is the huge K the Raiders paid Fargas. But I think that is what scrolled Big Al's nerd when he climbed out of the Ultra-After -Life Chamber and found people using his rubber-stamp signature like they were Valley Girls with their fathers unlimited AmEx Card on Rodeo Drive.

I haven't seen Jackson NOT go in a draft yet.....

3 million signing bonus, and like 1.25 million base this year - not far off from what TJ Duckett got - and a lot of performance bonuses. For comparisons sake, Travis Henry got 12 mill guaranteed when he signed with the Broncos.

Apart from TT being a lot smarter about numbers than Shannie, the bottom line is Green Bay is not on the hook for a lot of money.

I have to wonder what game some of you people watched. The Packers scored TDs the first 3 times they had the ball in the last game with the Lions. Favre threw 2 Tds in the first 3 drives. In the first drive Favre didn’t throw a TD because Ryan Grant ran for a 27 yard TD.
In the second GB possession the Lions pinned the Packers deep at the 3 yard line after punting. Grant ran once for 5 yards (2nd and 5 at the Packer 8). Grant ran again for no gain (3rd and 5 at the packer 8). The Lions called a time out to set up their D anticipating getting the ball back with good field position.. On the 3rd and 5 call on their own 8 yard line the Pack gave the ball to Ryan Grant. Grant ran the ball for 18 yards to the Packer 28 taking the Packers out of the hole. One play later Grant ran for a yard and got a stinger and left the game. The pack went down and scored 2min and 18 sec. later as Favre threw a TD to Robinson.

Then the Packers scored again on their 3rd possession that started with just about 2 mins left in the first quarter. It was a short field as the Packer D intercepted the ball and set the Packer O up on the Lions 41 yard line 3 minutes later at the beginning of the second quarter Brett Favre threw his second TD pass to Bubba Franks. Favre left the game early in the second quarter with a 21 -3 lead.

Ryan Grants 5 carry for 57 yards and a TD in less than 9 minutes was a double digit fantasy performance. Brandon Jacksons’ fine 51 minute performance against a weak lions team with a big lead barely outscored Grant. Hmmmmm.

I think the forest is being missed for the trees.

People are writing Jackson off for a turd, when he simply was a very raw rookie thrown in behind a line learning a new scheme. Those that drafted him fourth in rookie drafts should not have expected the instant gratification that they did.

As the season went on, the line got better and Grant enjoyed the fruits of that. The last game with Brandon was brought up as an example to contrast the early games.

It's my own opinion that people spending a second or third round pick on Grant feel they're drafting a player, while I feel they're drafting a situation. And situations can change.

I happen to think you should concentrate less on the forest, before you HIT the trees.

you say on one hand that Jackson was hurt by a line learning a new system. Yet you have Grant excelling IN that same O-line and system. How do you follow that logic?

Grant produced from the start once he was given a start. The ONLY reason Jackson was used was due to his high draft pick price tag. He is a mudder, and plodder...and he can't block worth a damn. Maybe he learns...but he is still a plodder, and not good in this type of system.

I happen to think sometimes the system helps the player (see rbs as they leave denver what happens to them....) but sometimes and injury opens a spot for a player and he takes advantage of it. Say Rudi Johnson as an example. I lean more toward that theory with Grant.

Like everything in life. Practice - they improved as the season went.

You start with Jackson, and he did poorly. He was replaced by Wynn who did better - but is he a better running back? No. It took eight weeks for Grant to get his shot, and he produced. Given he's a better back than Wynn, and for the moment Jackson, combined the the line's improvement you have a productive run game.

At the same time, on the west coast, the Raiders run game took a few weeks to find itself, and once it did Fargas produced. Is Fargas a good running back?

Fargas is a good rb. His only knock is ability to stay healthy. Last year was not the only year he has flashed for Oakland.

As for Rbs in GB...I still disagree. You assume the improvement was soley due to the O-line. I contend it was due to improving O-line and better Rb talent.

i agree that im drafting a situation. i just love the situation and i dont see a problem with taking it. i wouldnt draft grant very high on at least 25 other teams. but hes not on them, and i still havent seen more than one legit play from bjax to concern me otherwise just yet.

I haven't seen one single play from Mr. Grant this off season......first a hold out, then a hammy.....he finally going to play this week????

fwiw... the packers cut vernand morency AND noah herron AND deshawn wynn. they must feel pretty good about grant and bjax.

There making room for Rudi