FA RB Rudi Johnson Signs With The Lions

Miller · 09-03-2008, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Orgazmo

You talk like Kevin Smith isn't a power back. He actually is, and a proven workhorse. We're not talking Jamaal Charles here. And if Rudi couldn't produce behind Cinci's line the last few years, what exactly is he supposed to achieve behind a line that still starts the likes of George Foster?

Not saying he'll do great....just saying even now, Rudi is a better back IMO then Kevin Smith. They both will have to run behind the same line.....

And last few years?? 2006 - 1309 & 12 TD's.....looks pretty damn productive to me, so you have 1 year, in which he battled a hammy......not like the guy has been a turn for many years. In fact, prior to 07, he had 3 1300+ and 12 TD seasons in a row.

I'm going with a rejuvenated Rudi with something to prove and one last payday to grab over a rookie back who my bet is will be a career back-up, and not much more.

Sgt John · 09-03-2008, 10:17 PM

I think you underestimate Kevin Smith a bit. I dont see his whole career as a backup, but at this point a two headed beast is best

THE ADVISOR · 09-04-2008, 12:19 AM

"Miller": the Kevin Smith owners are so much in denial that it's pathetic. Their cherished 85% of the carries and all the goal line carries running back just went poof. He simply is not a better back than Burudi Ali Johnson. He's an uproven rookie who had one decent run in the preseason. These tearful Kevin Smith owners need to realize that Rudi wasn't released because his skills had declined. The Bengals are in salary cap hell and have to re-sign "who's your mama." That's why both he and Anderson were jettisioned. M-O-N-E-Y. Here's what kills me about all the Chris Perry hype. If Kenny Irons doesn't blow out his knee, Chris Perry is on the Winnipeg Blue Bombers.

Miller · 09-04-2008, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by THE ADVISOR

"Miller": the Kevin Smith owners are so much in denial that it's pathetic. Their cherished 85% of the carries and all the goal line carries running back just went poof. He simply is not a better back than Burudi Ali Johnson. He's an uproven rookie who had one decent run in the preseason. These tearful Kevin Smith owners need to realize that Rudi wasn't released because his skills had declined. The Bengals are in salary cap hell and have to re-sign "who's your mama." That's why both he and Anderson were jettisioned. M-O-N-E-Y. Here's what kills me about all the Chris Perry hype. If Kenny Irons doesn't blow out his knee, Chris Perry is on the Winnipeg Blue Bombers.

So the Kevin Smith hype is pathetic (which i agree), yet your attempt to constantly pimp out a never was rookie (Kenny Irons) who's only accomplishment was one nice run in an inter-squad scrimmage is not?? Hell, at least Smith's nice run was against a different team! And I'd love for you to tell me when Perry would have been cut if Irons was healthy? It would not have been last season because as I am sure you are aware, Perry was placed on the PUP list then IR'd last year, never costing the team an active spot all season. So it would have been this offseason when all he did was win a starting job. So your trying to tell me that Perry would have been cut this offseason and not Dee Dee Dorsey who is the 3rd RB and he's the #1?? Yeah, now that makes all kinds of sense...... The only thing a healthy Irons would have changed is that Rudi would have been let go this spring and not last week.

Phicinfan · 09-04-2008, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Miller

boy, tough guy with the rolleyes...wow, I can use them to...

I'd be very worried as a Smith owner, and that's not a homer comment, in case you missed it, he's not on the Bengals. I'm just simply a realist. They want a power running game and they went and got a power back.....hmmmm, sounds like some need to temper expectations for a certain overhyped RB.....on second thought, don't. This is going to be fun to bump in a couple weeks.

We've argued about SMith and Forte since the draft. You got all excited about the situations, and I've stanted the talent isn't good enough....guess we'll see. Both have vets in place and I'll be shocked if either ends the season as the starter as they currently are.

Phic -

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Again you miss the point. Although I am not surprised

Rudi is NOT the power back he was. I don't care if he put weight back on..numbers don't lie. He has been dropping in YPC the last TWO years. Not just last year. Add to that as pointed out by Orgazmo that Smith is not a scat back..and Detroit's O-line is worse than Cincy's...and I again ask...who exactly is drinking the

And since you brought up Chicago. Do we need to remind you that K.Jones has not been able to complete a friggen season in the NFL EVER. He is a waiting ambulance visit waiting to happen.

Miller · 09-04-2008, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Phicinfan

Again you miss the point. Although I am not surprised

Rudi is NOT the power back he was. I don't care if he put weight back on..numbers don't lie. He has been dropping in YPC the last TWO years. Not just last year. Add to that as pointed out by Orgazmo that Smith is not a scat back..and Detroit's O-line is worse than Cincy's...and I again ask...who exactly is drinking the

And since you brought up Chicago. Do we need to remind you that K.Jones has not been able to complete a friggen season in the NFL EVER. He is a waiting ambulance visit waiting to happen.

So 1300 yds and 12 TD's is not acceptable now??? OK...if you say so

man. And yes Detroit's line is not as good as Cincy's, but the point both of you seem to miss is that Kevin Smith is not running behind Cincy's line.....he's going to be running behind the same line Rudi will be this year. So if they suck, safe to say they will suck for both of them and it will still come down to who the better back between Smith and Johnson is. My money remains on Rudi. Guess we'll see soon enough.

As far as Chicago, they still brought in the vet you swore they would not.....but neither was Detroit according to you and we see how both of those panned out.

Runnik's Hambones · 09-04-2008, 03:21 PM

Tatum stole my bag!

Phicinfan · 09-05-2008, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Miller

So 1300 yds and 12 TD's is not acceptable now??? OK...if you say so

man. And yes Detroit's line is not as good as Cincy's, but the point both of you seem to miss is that Kevin Smith is not running behind Cincy's line.....he's going to be running behind the same line Rudi will be this year. So if they suck, safe to say they will suck for both of them and it will still come down to who the better back between Smith and Johnson is. My money remains on Rudi. Guess we'll see soon enough.

As far as Chicago, they still brought in the vet you swore they would not.....but neither was Detroit according to you and we see how both of those panned out.

to clarify.....since you again got it wrong.

I stated they would not bring in a vet to take over. I still see no proof of that. I also stated it would not be any of the current FA's that were out there - Benson, Shaun Alexander, Lamont Jordan. I will admit I was wrong on Chicago signing Jones, but then again...when he gets hurt AGAIN...I fully expect you to eat crow as well.

Miller · 09-05-2008, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Phicinfan

to clarify.....since you again got it wrong.

I stated they would not bring in a vet to take over. I still see no proof of that. I also stated it would not be any of the current FA's that were out there - Benson, Shaun Alexander, Lamont Jordan. I will admit I was wrong on Chicago signing Jones, but then again...when he gets hurt AGAIN...I fully expect you to eat crow as well.

Eat crow about what?? I never said he is mr durable, I simply said he was a good signing since Forte is not the end all there.....guess I better clarify since you were WRONG....AGAIN....But according to you there was no need to sign anyone, in fact, you completely disagreed with me that they needed to bring in a vet to COMPETE, not take over, COMPETE was the wording I used:
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Originally Posted by Miller

B/c they have no one if they drop Benson. You may slob all over Forte, but the bottom line is he's not an elite prospect and he's not someone I would want to just hand a job to. They would need to bring in a vet to compete with him IMO. Forte/Peterson.....god make me puke....seriously, that would likely be the worse RB combo in the league.

So you ask, I'll tell ya. They must do something, b/c take out Benson and their RB prospects are down right scary as hell over a full season.

Now there are other options other then Alexander, but Alexander would be my pick of the lot to be honest.

Now I was wrong on Alexander as it turned out to be Jones, but in the end, they did what they needed to do, bring in someone to compete, yet you asked:

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Originally Posted by Phicinfan

*blinks* *blinks again*

Why?

So to clarify....what is your story again???

Remote Controller · 09-05-2008, 11:46 AM

-- Lions RBBC Emerging --
Fri Sep 5, 2008 --from FFMastermind.com

The Detroit Free-Press reports Lions OC Jim Colletto said rookie RB Kevin Smith would start against the Falcons on Sunday, but newly signed RB Rudi Johnson will contribute. "How much he'll play Sunday, I don't know," Colletto said. "But he can play. I don't think we're going to ask Kevin to carry the load the whole day." Smith said he doesn't mind splitting carries. "I'm not opposed to that," Smith said. "We haven't been to the playoffs since '95? '99? I don't care if we've got a five-back rotation as long as we make the playoffs. That's my goal."

Arctic Dawgs · 09-05-2008, 12:13 PM

Tatum with Rudi's bag

Miller · 09-05-2008, 12:28 PM

lmao!!

Phicinfan · 09-05-2008, 01:54 PM

[quote=Miller;238076]Eat crow about what?? I never said he is mr durable, I simply said he was a good signing since Forte is not the end all there.....guess I better clarify since you were WRONG....AGAIN....But according to you there was no need to sign anyone, in fact, you completely disagreed with me that they needed to bring in a vet to COMPETE, not take over, COMPETE was the wording I used:

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Now I was wrong on Alexander as it turned out to be Jones, but in the end, they did what they needed to do, bring in someone to compete, yet you asked:

So to clarify....what is your story again???

Now you are making things up. Here is EXACTLY what I said on bringing in FA backs to chicago and Detroit.

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Originally Posted by Phicinfan

No, as a matter of fact, I don't.

Why?

Money.

Chicago now has first round money in Benson, and now has used a relatively high pick on Forte. They still have peterson..so why would they spend money on a worn out hasbeen?

Now we get to Detroit. IF, and I am sorry, I am not buying it, K.Jones IS healthy, he is the best of the lot...and Detroit won't sign him again. So again, why spend money on worn out backs?

Lets peruse the list again:
Travis Henry - He is one mistake away from a one year ban, he has constant hammy issues.
Shaun Alexander - Broken wrist, coming off a bad foot.
Kevin Jones - Knees are a mess, and has had injuries each year he has been in the NFL.
Lamont Jordon- Here is a great opportunty for a 3rd down, short yardage, red zone guy. But not a starter.

So again..why would they?

from this thread here:Free Agent RBs: Keep An Eye On Them

It was completely based on the LOUSY value of the FA market...and what each team was doing.

At that point there was no Rudi.

Even with Rudi...you won't see a change. K.Smith will retain a majority of the work.

Remote Controller · 09-17-2008, 08:19 AM

Let's just say neither of them have a chance on the Lions, and now they look to grab Benson??

-- Lions Taking a Look at Free Agent RBs --
Tue Sep 16, 2008 --from FFMastermind.com
Mlive reports the Detroit Lions worked out ex-Seahawks RB Shaun Alexander on Tuesday while ex-Bears RB Cedric Benson also came in for a visit. Ex-Packers RB Vernand Morency was also brought in to meet Detroit's coaches and front office personnel. A signing of any player is not imminent because the Lions are happy with their running backs and are only building a "short list" in case one of their top runners gets hurt and Detroit needs a quick replacement. Contract negotiatons have not begun for any of the running backs who were brought in.
- -- Lions to Sign Cedric Benson? --
  Wed Sep 17, 2008 --from FFMastermind.com
- The Detroit Free-Press reports according to an Austin, Texas, city council member, former Chicago Bears RB Cedric Benson is going to sign with the Lions. In a report by News 8 Austin, a 24-hour news channel in Texas, Austin city council member Mike Martinez and Benson, a former Texas Longhorns back, were supposed to announce a program by Benson's charity to help children get winter coats, but Benson was not in Austin for the announcement. "Unfortunately, but fortunately, RB Cedric Benson is not here today," he said. "He is actually signing a contract today to get back in the game with the Detroit Lions and the reason why that's a good thing is that the foundation will continue to grow as long as Cedric continues to do what he does on the field." Benson, the fourth overall pick in the 2005 NFL draft, rushed for 674 last season with the Bears before an injured ankle ended his season. During the offseason, he was arrested twice for separate alleged alcohol-related incidents. He was cut in June.

Miller · 09-22-2008, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Miller

Rudi will be the starter by week 4 and get the majority of carries throughout the season. You heard it here first.

Sure is looking that there is a good possibility of this.

From rotoworld:

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Kevin Smith was fully healthy in Week 3, but lost most of his carries to Rudi Johnson because Johnson was "feeling it, running and getting it going," according to coach Rod Marinelli.Analysis: "We kind of went with him," added Marinelli after Sunday's game. "He was running hard." Rudi has apparently been impressive in practice and the coaching staff is beginning to gain more confidence in him. Expect him to steal carries from Smith again in Week 4.

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chrisslabaugh · 09-22-2008, 08:57 PM

Please tell me how he's going to steal carries in week 4 when they're on a bye?

Miller · 09-22-2008, 09:13 PM

lol, I just posted, didn't write. game 4

Week 5. And it won't be stealing carries IMO, Smith will only steal a few from Rudi.

Phicinfan · 09-23-2008, 07:31 AM

I still am agreeing more with RC now. I don't think either will be anything...as Detroit will suck and be passing all the time. So I will admit I might have been wrong on Smith...but lets see what happens rest of the year.

Remote Controller · 09-23-2008, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Remote Controller

....and I disagree. If Rudi can stay healthy, or is healthy, i feel he begins to take over this job by week 4. We can both state our opinions as strongly as we like, but that still makes them nothing more than opinions. Smith needs to take advantage of his first 3 weeks, or he will likely be relegated to what he is better suited for...........being a change of pace back.


09-17-2008, 08:19 AM	#74
Remote Controller Yeah.......That's me! Join Date: May 2006 Location: Top of the Texas Panhandle Posts: 4,171 vCash: 370967 Donate	Let's just say neither of them have a chance on the Lions, and now they look to grab Benson?? -- Lions Taking a Look at Free Agent RBs -- Tue Sep 16, 2008 --from FFMastermind.com Mlive reports the Detroit Lions worked out ex-Seahawks RB Shaun Alexander on Tuesday while ex-Bears RB Cedric Benson also came in for a visit. Ex-Packers RB Vernand Morency was also brought in to meet Detroit's coaches and front office personnel. A signing of any player is not imminent because the Lions are happy with their running backs and are only building a "short list" in case one of their top runners gets hurt and Detroit needs a quick replacement. Contract negotiatons have not begun for any of the running backs who were brought in. -- Lions to Sign Cedric Benson? -- Wed Sep 17, 2008 --from FFMastermind.com The Detroit Free-Press reports according to an Austin, Texas, city council member, former Chicago Bears RB Cedric Benson is going to sign with the Lions. In a report by News 8 Austin, a 24-hour news channel in Texas, Austin city council member Mike Martinez and Benson, a former Texas Longhorns back, were supposed to announce a program by Benson's charity to help children get winter coats, but Benson was not in Austin for the announcement. "Unfortunately, but fortunately, RB Cedric Benson is not here today," he said. "He is actually signing a contract today to get back in the game with the Detroit Lions and the reason why that's a good thing is that the foundation will continue to grow as long as Cedric continues to do what he does on the field." Benson, the fourth overall pick in the 2005 NFL draft, rushed for 674 last season with the Bears before an injured ankle ended his season. During the offseason, he was arrested twice for separate alleged alcohol-related incidents. He was cut in June.

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09-03-2008, 10:17 PM	#62
Sgt John Genibus Nitito Canus Premium Member Forum Leader Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Taylor, TX Posts: 6,808 vCash: 556529 Donate Blog Entries: 5	I think you underestimate Kevin Smith a bit. I dont see his whole career as a backup, but at this point a two headed beast is best


09-04-2008, 12:19 AM	#63
THE ADVISOR Doubt my views.....Lose Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 28 vCash: 1342 Donate	"Miller": the Kevin Smith owners are so much in denial that it's pathetic. Their cherished 85% of the carries and all the goal line carries running back just went poof. He simply is not a better back than Burudi Ali Johnson. He's an uproven rookie who had one decent run in the preseason. These tearful Kevin Smith owners need to realize that Rudi wasn't released because his skills had declined. The Bengals are in salary cap hell and have to re-sign "who's your mama." That's why both he and Anderson were jettisioned. M-O-N-E-Y. Here's what kills me about all the Chris Perry hype. If Kenny Irons doesn't blow out his knee, Chris Perry is on the Winnipeg Blue Bombers.


09-04-2008, 03:21 PM	#67
Runnik's Hambones Outlaw Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 1,040 vCash: 1527054 Donate	Tatum stole my bag!


09-05-2008, 11:46 AM	#70
Remote Controller Yeah.......That's me! Join Date: May 2006 Location: Top of the Texas Panhandle Posts: 4,171 vCash: 370967 Donate	-- Lions RBBC Emerging -- Fri Sep 5, 2008 --from FFMastermind.com The Detroit Free-Press reports Lions OC Jim Colletto said rookie RB Kevin Smith would start against the Falcons on Sunday, but newly signed RB Rudi Johnson will contribute. "How much he'll play Sunday, I don't know," Colletto said. "But he can play. I don't think we're going to ask Kevin to carry the load the whole day." Smith said he doesn't mind splitting carries. "I'm not opposed to that," Smith said. "We haven't been to the playoffs since '95? '99? I don't care if we've got a five-back rotation as long as we make the playoffs. That's my goal."


09-05-2008, 12:13 PM	#71
Arctic Dawgs Outlaw Join Date: May 2006 Location: Vancouver Island B.C. Posts: 1,435 vCash: 201144 Donate	Tatum with Rudi's bag


09-05-2008, 12:28 PM	#72
Miller Who Me? Admin Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 16,092 vCash: 59048031 Donate Blog Entries: 28	lmao!!


09-22-2008, 08:57 PM	#76
chrisslabaugh Thats Mr. Slabaugh to you Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,614 vCash: 35688 Donate Blog Entries: 3	Please tell me how he's going to steal carries in week 4 when they're on a bye?


09-22-2008, 09:13 PM	#77
Miller Who Me? Admin Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 16,092 vCash: 59048031 Donate Blog Entries: 28	lol, I just posted, didn't write. game 4 Week 5. And it won't be stealing carries IMO, Smith will only steal a few from Rudi.


09-23-2008, 07:31 AM	#78
Phicinfan Deputy Premium Member Forum Leader Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Cincinnati Ohio Posts: 11,137 vCash: 132484 Donate	I still am agreeing more with RC now. I don't think either will be anything...as Detroit will suck and be passing all the time. So I will admit I might have been wrong on Smith...but lets see what happens rest of the year.