Calvin Johnson's Value W/O Williams

var8rfan · 10-14-2008, 03:40 PM

chrisslabaugh posed this question in another thread and I thought it was worthy of its own.

nicholete · 10-14-2008, 03:41 PM

My thought is who else are they going to give the ball to? I say Calvin's value goes up. right?

Mike · 10-14-2008, 03:43 PM

My thoughts from the other thread:

It is really going to depend on what Orlovsky and then maybe Stanton can do at the QB position. Also, we now get to find out what Calvin Johnson can do as "the" guy in the offense.

There will be much guessing involved, and those who guess right will surely pound their chests because they "knew" what would happen

The Lions are going through a ton of change at this point, could be more changes coming in regards to playing time for players. It is clearly "evaluation" at this point.

var8rfan · 10-14-2008, 03:45 PM

With the loss of Williams and QB questions you would have to switch to a more RB oriented offense wouldn't you? I couldn't even name Detroit's #3 or #4 WR but I would think they would be the ones to benefit as Johnson is likely to be looking at plenty of double teams.

var8rfan · 10-14-2008, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike

My thoughts from the other thread:

Was going to do the merge/copy thing but wasn't quite sure how

Da Bomb · 10-14-2008, 03:49 PM

there are any number of WRs in the league that have very little else on the team and get plenty of stats. andre johnson comes to mind, brandon marshall last year. if the WR is freakishly talented enough, he can get the numbers on his own. roy was doing very little this year to distract defenses, so i dont think it will make a big impact.

the bigger impact by far will be made at QB in my opinion. with kitna supposedly out all year, that leaves detroit with one of the worst QB situations in the league, and megatron owners are going to be frustrated by the lack of any real consistency there.

Mike · 10-14-2008, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by var8rfan

Was going to do the merge/copy thing but wasn't quite sure how

This way was probably better

Da Bomb · 10-14-2008, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by var8rfan

With the loss of Williams and QB questions you would have to switch to a more RB oriented offense wouldn't you? I couldn't even name Detroit's #3 or #4 WR but I would think they would be the ones to benefit as Johnson is likely to be looking at plenty of double teams.

come on now, surely you know Shaun McDonald and Mike Furrey. these guys have both been very nice fantasy wiaver pickups the last two years, and they should be now again, particularly for PPR type leagues. they arent flashy but theyre solid and imo there wont be a huge dropoff at WR in detroit with those two getting more PT.

gmrcharity · 10-14-2008, 03:54 PM

Kitnas on IR for the year and I wouldnt touch anyone on the Lions now.

Birdman · 10-14-2008, 04:11 PM

I'm a little nervous about the situation surrounding Calvin as it appears to be getting gradually worse from an offensive standpoint.

I think Calvin Johnson's situation is probably similar to Dwyane Bowe in KC - a talented young WR with little else on offense, little in the way of QBing... but they feed him the ball a lot.

The Ram · 10-14-2008, 05:09 PM

I agree with Birdman. Bowe and now Johnson are in the same boat. Bowe still has good games and the same will be true for Johnson.

Phicinfan · 10-14-2008, 05:14 PM

Detroit players in general are hurt in value due to loss of Qb, not Williams.

But yes, he will struggle with no one to really gain protection from.

On a side note....McDonald might be a heck of a sleeper now, with all coverage going to Johnson

Miller · 10-14-2008, 05:40 PM

I agree with Phic, McDonald should see a much bigger role now, and is a decent WR. Who knows what Calvin's value will be, with the QB's they have I'm worried, but again, it's more b/c of the QB's and not the loss of Williams. CJ is a hell of a talent, now is his chance to be the THE man, let's see how he does.


10-14-2008, 03:40 PM	#1
var8rfan A.D.I.D.A.S Premium Member Forum Leader Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Rocky Mount, VA Posts: 3,351 vCash: 1700023 Donate Blog Entries: 4	Calvin Johnson's Value W/O Williams chrisslabaugh posed this question in another thread and I thought it was worthy of its own.

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10-14-2008, 03:41 PM	#2
nicholete Hope comes with batteries Forum Leader Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 10,364 vCash: 7754013 Donate	My thought is who else are they going to give the ball to? I say Calvin's value goes up. right?


10-14-2008, 03:43 PM	#3
Mike who me? Admin Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: L.A. (Lower Arkansas) Posts: 30,000 vCash: 14556658 Donate Blog Entries: 18	My thoughts from the other thread: It is really going to depend on what Orlovsky and then maybe Stanton can do at the QB position. Also, we now get to find out what Calvin Johnson can do as "the" guy in the offense. There will be much guessing involved, and those who guess right will surely pound their chests because they "knew" what would happen The Lions are going through a ton of change at this point, could be more changes coming in regards to playing time for players. It is clearly "evaluation" at this point.


10-14-2008, 03:45 PM	#4
var8rfan A.D.I.D.A.S Premium Member Forum Leader Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Rocky Mount, VA Posts: 3,351 vCash: 1700023 Donate Blog Entries: 4	With the loss of Williams and QB questions you would have to switch to a more RB oriented offense wouldn't you? I couldn't even name Detroit's #3 or #4 WR but I would think they would be the ones to benefit as Johnson is likely to be looking at plenty of double teams.


10-14-2008, 03:49 PM	#6
Da Bomb Richest Vman Alive Forum Leader Join Date: May 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 11,254 vCash: 173540883 Donate Blog Entries: 18	there are any number of WRs in the league that have very little else on the team and get plenty of stats. andre johnson comes to mind, brandon marshall last year. if the WR is freakishly talented enough, he can get the numbers on his own. roy was doing very little this year to distract defenses, so i dont think it will make a big impact. the bigger impact by far will be made at QB in my opinion. with kitna supposedly out all year, that leaves detroit with one of the worst QB situations in the league, and megatron owners are going to be frustrated by the lack of any real consistency there.


10-14-2008, 03:54 PM	#9
gmrcharity Outlaw Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Africa Posts: 1,954 vCash: 2202403 Donate	Kitnas on IR for the year and I wouldnt touch anyone on the Lions now.


10-14-2008, 04:11 PM	#10
Birdman Outlaw Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,130 vCash: 88378 Donate	I'm a little nervous about the situation surrounding Calvin as it appears to be getting gradually worse from an offensive standpoint. I think Calvin Johnson's situation is probably similar to Dwyane Bowe in KC - a talented young WR with little else on offense, little in the way of QBing... but they feed him the ball a lot.


10-14-2008, 05:09 PM	#11
The Ram is dumb so type slow Premium Member Forum Leader Join Date: May 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,961 vCash: 140429 Donate Blog Entries: 24	I agree with Birdman. Bowe and now Johnson are in the same boat. Bowe still has good games and the same will be true for Johnson.


10-14-2008, 05:14 PM	#12
Phicinfan Deputy Premium Member Forum Leader Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Cincinnati Ohio Posts: 11,135 vCash: 132430 Donate	Detroit players in general are hurt in value due to loss of Qb, not Williams. But yes, he will struggle with no one to really gain protection from. On a side note....McDonald might be a heck of a sleeper now, with all coverage going to Johnson


10-14-2008, 05:40 PM	#13
Miller Who Me? Admin Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 16,090 vCash: 59047993 Donate Blog Entries: 28	I agree with Phic, McDonald should see a much bigger role now, and is a decent WR. Who knows what Calvin's value will be, with the QB's they have I'm worried, but again, it's more b/c of the QB's and not the loss of Williams. CJ is a hell of a talent, now is his chance to be the THE man, let's see how he does.