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| Water Boy | Did someone actually say Vince Young would make a good RB? Hahaha. I can't wait to watch the first 6'6" 245 lb RB in the NFL. No, Vince Young is a Quarterback. I am so sick of the NFL "experts" saying that QBs can't run in the NFL (not true) as if he can't throw the ball. Vince Young is one of the all-time winningest QB's in college football history and led the nation in passing efficiency this season. He is the fiercest competitor and the best leader I have ever seen in college, and he carried an entire team and made some coaches careers this season. Absolutely the Texans should take him; they will dramatically improve their fan base and cut into the statewide dominance enjoyed by Dallas. As a business decision, which is what the NFL is, it is a no brainer. Vince Young will dominate in the NFL as he has at every level. Whoever passes on him because of some "expert" opinions (i.e. scouts) will be very sorry. |
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| Water Boy |
I think Texas will stay with Carr and add Bush and re-build their offensive line via free agency and the draft. But after Bush, Vince could be the next player to go. I don't see how New Orleans could pass him up. But, for Vince's sake, I hope they do. | |||
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| Water Boy | ur crazy RB? He i 6'5, and his running style will not translate into him being a great RB. I think he will stay at QB and be a top 10 pick. If he can learn to play more from the pocket, he could be the type of QB who runs 3-4 times a game, but for 10 yards a pop. He is definitly a better prospect then Jay Cutler. At the Senior Bowl Jay mueasured up at only 6'2. At 6'5 230 lbs and a 4.40 forty, I see him stayinga at QB for sure. P.S. he is also a long strider, which wouldn'tworkout out to well at WR because of the routes demanding quick cuts |
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| Outlaw | Vince Young said that he will not be participating in the combine. He will only be there to do interviews. How do you think this will affect him in regards to the draft? Or do you think that it won't have any affect at all?
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| Outlaw | Ken Dorsey, Danny Wuerffel, Charlie Ward, Steve Walsh What do these names have in common? All of them dominated college football, and none of them were good pro's. Every year new players are named "The Next Big Thing", and every year they turn into the next Ryan Leaf. Cant-Miss quarterbacks like Vince Young are littered all around the country, and most of them failed in the pro game. And Vince Young is next. |
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| Erudite | Some things I think I think Biggest cattle call outside of the KC stockyards begins this week. The NFL scouting combine is underway and the testing, probing, prodding, measuring and analyzing on a herd of college football’s 300 latest hopefuls has begun. To go or not to go, to throw or not throw. With all the NFL’s resources in one place and having spent your whole life to get to this moment in your career , why the hell wouldn’t you get out there and show your stuff. Sure, if you are a top 10, a bad combine can cost you money and if you are a borderline first day pick, a good showing in Indy this week can net you millions of dollars over the course of your career. A guy like Vince Young, who has declined to throw or work out this week only raises eyebrows. Word is he didn’t start working out until about 10 days ago and his lack of conditioning and scatter shot arm have been more than whispered at with Jay Cutler more or less calling him out at Cutler’s combine press conference. Cutler said it was disappointing, that not everyone at the combine was going to compete, robbing him of a chance to prove he was the best there. Bold and brash coming from a guy really not on many team’s radar only a few months ago. But it raises a good point about how to work the system. Young, based on his play in the Rose Bowl has secured himself a top five spot in this years draft and can only hurt himself with a bad showing. With Pro Days scheduled on campus in mid April, he hopes to improve his mechanics and his conditioning enough to hold on to that top five spot. Young will get to have a great deal of control over the work he does in front scouts and Execs to make himself look as good as possible. While Young is not the first to work the system like this, more and more the NFL personnel guys are pressing those invited to fully participate for their own good or peril. As long as agents and advisors continue to have as much influence over their minions as they do, we will see potential top 10 picks play this game of chicken. It’s a mistake, but not his biggest. Young has been miss-handled since deciding to forgo his senior season for the riches of the NFL. Another season like the one he just had makes him the top pick in the 2007 draft. The iron that was hot, post Rose Bowl, has cooled considerably which will cost him possibly millions. For sure, someone will pick Young early and pay him big money but his recent missteps cost him a top three. Cutler has passed him on most teams draft boards and depending on his Pro Day workout might move out of the top five. You can bet your ass that the teams picking four through 10 want to see him off the board when it comes their time to pick. You cats can blather all you want about his skills but until he shows me and the guys that matter some greatly improved mechanics and maturity its hard to spend 1st round money on a guy with third round skills. There are a lot of big fast guys available in the draft that are a whole lot more game ready than Young. |
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| Outlaw | Im a UT fan. Have been my entire life. I love Young. I think he may be one of the most impactful football players in College history. I think he's the best athlete in the draft. Unfortunately, I don't think he's in the top 5 at the QB postion. He's got a decent arm, horrible mechanics, and he can run. I love Vince, but if he becomes a star, it will be hype like Michael Vick. A pro Quarterback throws. They don't run, they scramble to buy time. In college, guys like Young could run because they were faster then everyone. In the pros, there are linebackers and defensive ends as fast as him, not to mention the DBs. His game won't translate to the pro game. As much as it kills me to say, its just the truth. |
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| Outlaw | The first task for a team that drafts him will be to teach him to think past first, like the 49ers did with Steve Young and the Falcons haven't with Vick. Also, did anybody hear the rumor about his wonderlick scores? Can anyone confirm it? They say he got a 6 out of 50 that's rather horrible.......... |
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| Erudite |
This guy's Pro Day(s) better be outstanding or he will be outstanding the top ten. Shame of it is, the kid seems to be one a the good guys. I just think he got some bad advise about coming out early. Not ever having to face the pressure this kid had in having to make the decision to declare early, I still think it was short-sighted. Worst of all, the millions of reasons he had for coming out early are gonna be picked clean by the people that gave him the bad advise. The Heisman, back to back National Championships, the 1st pick in the 2007 draft and having to hear Mike crow about it for another year? Priceless. He drops enough in this years draft he my have to take pay-cut from what he made last year.lol (why the hell did the UT boosters not pony up some funds to keep him at Texas, Mike?) Ironically, he may fall enough to end up in a less pressure situation. Not many 1st round guys get sent to NFL Europe do they? How realalistic would it be for him to go there for a year? | |||
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| Water Boy |
Honestly, any NFL player today, ESPECIALLY A QB, MUST HAVE at least AVERAGE intelligence to learn a playbook!! Maybe some team will hire him a full-time tutor on the sidelines or something; but if I were an NFL coach/GM, I'd really have a problem investing in ANY player on day one or maybe even at all with that low of a score on an NFL-endorsed intelligence test. | |||
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| who me? Admin | I wouldn't stress too much over the wonderlic score, and I wouldn't be too concerned over the "mechanics". Vince could throw a football just fine when he entered college football, and he can still throw a football just fine. Vince Young was a winner in Texas because he did what it took to be a winner. He was much more than simply a running quarterback. If the running lane was there, he took it. When he needed to make a throw, he made it. I don't like the comparisons to Michael Vick. Why? Simply because Vince Young will be better in the NFL that Michael Vick ever dreamed of being. Vince Young is not Michael Vick. Vince Young is not Donovan McNabb. Seems like those comparisons come up way too much everywhere lately, and to be honest, it is kind of refreshing to see someone on this message board actually throwing a name like Steve Young into the mix. Ok, sorry for the rant at the end there, but it is just something that has been annoying me. Bottom line, just wait and see what this guy does in the NFL. Pass this guy up in the draft, and you are making a Huge mistake.
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| Erudite | Young has pretty much kept his head straight while being piled on by the media concerning his throwing motion. He's quoted as saying, like everyone else in the draft, he has some things to work on and that he is dedicated to becoming the best player he can be. In terms of potential, he most certainly would have been better served by staying in school for another year, but since that horse has left the barn let's look at where he may fit best in the top 10 where he will be drafted. With the Texans rumored to be entertaining offers for their number 1 and the Saints making noise about Cutler, the potential for Young to fall to the Raiders at number 7 is looking very real. Houston has committed to David Carr, N.O. will select Lienhart or Cutler with the Titans and Lienhart's mentor Chow hoping to get Lienhart, the Jets need more immediate help at QB possibly moving up to take Bush or B'drickshaw Ferguson. Green Bay and The 9er's having drafted 1st round QBs in the last two drafts are looking elsewhere, leaving The Raiders. With Collins reportedly gone and Marques Tuiaosopo and Andrew Walter 1-2 on the depth chart it doesn't look as if the Raiders would go for Young, but...Al Davis loves offense and would be hard pressed to pass on Young if he falls to him. Davis could also trade out of that spot with two teams that would make sense to move up to get Young, St Louis and Baltimore. Aside from going 3rd to the Titans with Chow to bring Young along, the Ravens with Billick and Rick Neuheisel as QB coach could be as good a fit as possible. I don't see Baltimore, with more pressing needs at wideout and the defensive end positions, moving up to get him, though. St. Louis could use him and would under the right circumstance move to get him. Wherever he goes needs to recognize that while he may not be the immediate answer, under the right tutelage he could be special. I remember a guy the Steelers drafted number 1 that couldn't spell "cat" if you spotted him th "c" and the "t" who, after 4 or 5 years of ping-ponging back and forth as the starter, won four Super Bowls, soo I wouldn't put too much weight on test scores. Back then though, before free agency and three year coaching cycles, teams had the luxury of waiting for a guy to develope. History is cruel to QBs taken early in the draft with few exceptions. In a year where I think all the QBs are over-rated, Young has the biggest upside. Young falling in the draft or being traded up to be picked by some of the better teams at the bottom of the draft, while costing him money short term, would go along way to helping this young man reach his full pontetial. |
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| who me? Admin | Yes, and that puts him close to the likes of Brett Favre (22), Dan Marino (16 or 18, cant remember), Aikman scored a 29, Cunningham scored a 16 I believe. There are a few others that have been brought up as well, I just cant remember their names right now. Peyton Manning would be the one QB that probably put the most effort into something like this and he scored in the 30s. I dont put much thought into the wonderlic, and I would imagine that many of the athletes treat it like a joke as well. |
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