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Old 01-18-2006, 09:06 PM   #21
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That's all well and fine. To make it to the top of any profession takes a great deal of self centered focus. Cockiness, false bravado, egotism, self agrandizment are usefull against 300 lb men hell bent to crush your liver. He lost, take it like a man. From a mechanical point of view, Peyton threw like Eli. Didn't have a damn thing to do with protection. His lack of mobility and missed reads caused most of the problems.
Why would he need to have mobility if he was being protected correctly? Why would he have mechanical problems if he had his normal time and space to complete passes? Did he all of sudden forget his mechanics? I think not.
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The series prior Bettis' fumble, Pitt went back to their first half defensive scheme, forgoing the prevent defense, and flat out played him and his line. I didn't see anyone throw Peyton under the bus because he was slow footed and unable to make the right call under pressure.
Again another example of how the offensive line didnt do its job. Their job is to protect Peyton and give him time to throw...they didnt do that.
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Maybe his shit works against some of the lower bracket teams that they fattened up their record against, but in the playoffs he has yet to really impress.
One of those teams he "fattened" up his record against was the same Steelers. Funny how in that game his oline gave him time and he was able to shred their secondary apart. What changed in this game? Oh yeah protection.
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He purportedly has a leadership position on his team, as such he needs to keep the finger pointing in house. He'll have plenty of time in the off season (again) to address his "protection" problems. In the mean time, he dissrespected his team and most of all, Tony Dungy. Peyton sucks as a man.
Bullshit...he told the truth. He didnt single any specific person out but he laid out why they lost...protection problems. The fact that you want him to lie and say oh yeah they were great it was just my fault...bullshit...tell the truth. If your teammates sucked that day say it.
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Old 01-19-2006, 07:37 AM   #22
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Zepp,
That's all well and fine. To make it to the top of any profession takes a great deal of self centered focus. Cockiness, false bravado, egotism, self agrandizment are usefull against 300 lb men hell bent to crush your liver. He lost, take it like a man. From a mechanical point of view, Peyton threw like Eli. Didn't have a damn thing to do with protection. His lack of mobility and missed reads caused most of the problems. The series prior Bettis' fumble, Pitt went back to their first half defensive scheme, forgoing the prevent defense, and flat out played him and his line. I didn't see anyone throw Peyton under the bus because he was slow footed and unable to make the right call under pressure. Maybe his shit works against some of the lower bracket teams that they fattened up their record against, but in the playoffs he has yet to really impress. He purportedly has a leadership position on his team, as such he needs to keep the finger pointing in house. He'll have plenty of time in the off season (again) to address his "protection" problems. In the mean time, he dissrespected his team and most of all, Tony Dungy. Peyton sucks as a man.

Hear Hear. I couldn't have said it better myself.
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Old 01-21-2006, 09:40 AM   #23
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BTW TOny DUngy backed Manning on the protection issues...I guess hes classless too right?
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Old 01-21-2006, 10:52 AM   #24
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BTW TOny DUngy backed Manning on the protection issues...I guess hes classless too right?
quite the opposite, zippless, Dungy showed tremendous class and restraint. The pained look on his face while trying to difuss a media feeding frenzy about his QBs lack of leadership skills, was very telling. Like the gentleman he is, Dungy, by example was teaching Painton a lesson. I'm guessing that behind closed doors, that lesson continued, where the piss ant of a QB should have handled it in the first place. He put his head coach on the spot with his finger pointing. I'm not sure what game you watched, but Manning looked horrible even when he had time to throw early in the game. His missed reads led to poor protection calls. If he wants to be the "coach" on the field and make all those calls then he has to take responsibility for them. He put them in the wrong scheme more than half the time in the first half. San Diego ran the same blitz packages against him with equal results. Seems as if Mr. Manning has a learning disability along with his "me first attitude".
No, Dungy showed a ton of class, unlike you, in accepting defeat. We agree to disagree (as I'm sure we will on any number of issues) and I really don't wish to revisit this, the past is prologue. We all have moved on, as I hope you would.

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Lets see Manning said : "we had protection issues"

Dungy said: "we did have protection issues."

Whats the difference?
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Manning dodged the question several times before offering an answer, so to say he "blames" the offensive line is inaccurate. He finally stated the obvious - they did have problems with protection. Anyone who watched the game saw it. Credit the Steelers, they saw what San Diego did to the Colts and they executed it.

By the way, "superdave", let me hear you say One For The Thumb. I've heard it for 25 years and it never gets old.
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Old 01-21-2006, 10:15 PM   #28
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Manning dodged the question several times before offering an answer, so to say he "blames" the offensive line is inaccurate. He finally stated the obvious - they did have problems with protection. Anyone who watched the game saw it. Credit the Steelers, they saw what San Diego did to the Colts and they executed it.

By the way, "superdave", let me hear you say One For The Thumb. I've heard it for 25 years and it never gets old.
You're are right, he hemmed and hawed a bit before the frustration of the day and the presses badgering led him to say it. Peyton even went on to, half heartedly, give the Steelers credit. My contention is that he reduced the reason for the loss to "protection problems", which indeed contributed to the loss but wasn't the only factor. He should know better, in front of the national press, that as the face of the Colts he had a responsability to not to kick his guys while they were down. The pressure of the press got to him just like the Steelers did, he handled neither well. He put Dungy in a bad position and Tony wasn't gonna go against his player in public just as Manning shouldn't have his team. I do give him credit for not slamming Vanderjerk, which he seemed to want to, considering their history. My point really is that he should have have just said "we got beat, we need to get better and I'm gonna re-write my contract to get Reggie and Edgerin signed". He went 0 for three. He reduced a great year on the field and a tragic one off of it for the Colts to a five second negative sound bite. He's smarter than that, or should be.

It's still too soon to be talking about "One for the Thumb", the Steelers gotta git past the Bronco's and the Snake oil Show. But it does have a nice ring to it.
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Old 01-22-2006, 09:02 AM   #29
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You're are right, he hemmed and hawed a bit before the frustration of the day and the presses badgering led him to say it. Peyton even went on to, half heartedly, give the Steelers credit. My contention is that he reduced the reason for the loss to "protection problems", which indeed contributed to the loss but wasn't the only factor.
It certainly was the main reason. Had they protected Manning as they had all year they wouldve runaway with that game.
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He should know better, in front of the national press, that as the face of the Colts he had a responsability to not to kick his guys while they were down. The pressure of the press got to him just like the Steelers did, he handled neither well. He put Dungy in a bad position and Tony wasn't gonna go against his player in public just as Manning shouldn't have his team. I do give him credit for not slamming Vanderjerk, which he seemed to want to, considering their history. My point really is that he should have have just said "we got beat, we need to get better and I'm gonna re-write my contract to get Reggie and Edgerin signed". He went 0 for three. He reduced a great year on the field and a tragic one off of it for the Colts to a five second negative sound bite. He's smarter than that, or should be.
So in other words he should lie? They did get beat but they only got beat because they had protection problems plain and simple.
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It's called being a pro. For all the hurries,hits and sacks Kyle Boller takes, never ONCE has he blamed his protection or called out his teammates, its always " I have to play better". Kyle may not be the player Manning is but he is definitely a better man.
Did anyone see this?

If your big enough to call your own plays, than be big enough to take responsibility for the way YOU played
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They got beat because Manning was out coached. He made the wrong reads and was man handled for it
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They got beat because Manning was out coached. He made the wrong reads and was man handled for it
Its hard to make the right reads on your back.
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Did anyone see this?

If your big enough to call your own plays, than be big enough to take responsibility for the way YOU played
Manning played fine...his oline didn't. When Kyle Boller breaks some passing records then maybe he can complain when his line plays poorly.
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Manning did not play a good game. In the first half, he was extremely rattled. The offensive line was outplayed as well. As a result, something was learned. If you can put regular pressure on Manning, he will crack.

Its football, and those are paid professionals on the other side of the ball. How about lets credit that defense for what they did. The Pretty boys got handled by a severe case of smash mouth football.

Manning is great when he is protected well, we have now learned that he can very well crack under pressure. I hate to bring an Aikman situation into this, but back in his prime, when he was getting severely pressured in a SuperBowl, the quarterback known for being immobile showed his ability to snap up the chinstrap and put the game on his shoulders. The result? Superbowl MVP.

As far as making public statements, that it wrong on every level for a player. It shouldn't happen. Coaches do it regularly, and I have no problem with that.
Manning should be thankful that the refs giftwrapped him a chance to win in the second half because the game was nowhere nearly as close as the score.
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Manning played like a chump. Did you see his feet, I haven't seen happy feet like that since Jamal Lewis'. Guy was a wreck....
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Manning played like a chump. Did you see his feet, I haven't seen happy feet like that since Jamal Lewis'. Guy was a wreck....
Thats so stupid Manning always shuffles his feet whether or not he has great protection. Thats called resetting yourself so youre always in position to have good mechanics when you make a throw.
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ENOUGH TALK ABOUT MANNING PLEASE UNTIL HE WINS SOMETHING. IT'S PARTLY IF NOT THE MAJORITY OF HIS FAULT, SEEINGS HOW HE IS TAKING 30 MINUTES BEFORE EACH SNAP TO YELL OUT AUDIBLES AND MAKE HIS LINE AWARE OF WHERE THE BLITIZ IS COMING FROM. HOW ABOUT CHECKING OFF TO A RUN EVERY ONCE IN AWHILE.
BTW IS IT ME OR DID VANDY LOOK LIKE HE HAD MONEY ON THE STEELERS?
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So shuffling your feet non stop is resetting? Hmm, haven't seen any other QB do that, expect ones that are shaky in the pocket. After watchin Pitt. turn Plummer into a ball of butter I think it has more to do with the defense than the OL....
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So shuffling your feet non stop is resetting? Hmm, haven't seen any other QB do that, expect ones that are shaky in the pocket. After watchin Pitt. turn Plummer into a ball of butter I think it has more to do with the defense than the OL....
You also havent seen any other QB's put up the numbers Manning does or make the passes that Manning makes
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You also havent seen any other QB's put up the numbers Manning does or make the passes that Manning makes
Yeah, Marino...wud he win?
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