We've seen topics on him already, and sure we'll see more, but I don't think the pts toward end of post pertaining to his career ff rankings and closer look at last year have been covered yet (at least I don't think so).

The previous comments:
Potential solid rushing game behind him plus coaching staff that wants to run the ball and HC in Art Shell, OLC in Jackie Slater who should improve OL.
Talent at wr, including great deep threat/s (aside from Moss, Porter/Gabriel legit deep threats) with a coaching staff that wants to stretch the field with long ball.
Unlike Collins, (1) is mobile enough to keep some plays alive when OL is beaten, (2) has actually had seasons with 24+ tds (3).
(Collins never had more than 22 and only had 20+ tds 3 of 9 full seasons)

'New' Comments:
Since becoming starter(note: no minuses for ints)...
'01, finished 6th amongst qbs
'02, 6th amongst qbs
'03, 5th amongst qbs
'04, 8th amongst qbs

'05, finished 16th but if you project out his per game totals over full season (he didn't play last 3 games), would have finished 6th.

Of course, this is dependent on him being the starter and staying there for most/all of season but from history alone, pts toward a 6-8 finish.
A potential great value at an ADP of 9.1, avg 18th qb taken.

Discuss.

No leadership ability, doesnt inspire others. He isnt TO, but if Oakland begins to fall apart at all, Brooks will be the first to start pointing fingers in other directions. They have made improvements in the Oline and I kinda like Lamont (not completely sold there either), but IMHO its going to be Brooks thats going to be the weak link this year. I have no faith in him.

I have to agree with geekstuff, I am just not a big fan of Brooks. I think he is a decent #2QB to have, but I would never draft him as my starter. Just not consistent enough in my eyes.

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Nice takes guys.

First off, even personally, I wouldn't expect to count on Brooks as my #1. But as avg 18th qb taken and history of rankings, I'd certainly take a shot as him as a #2 who could give me options later in season.

Second, believe me, as a Raider fan I have my definite concerns about his leadership, decision making etc.
But I am referring to him as a ff qb, not an nfl qb.

And with that said, geek brings up an excellent pt...if Raiders start to tank, it may not matter if he's putting up monster ff numbers (along with untimely ints/bad decisions), as he could get pulled.

Again, great pt geekstuff...but for discussion's sake, let's assume he'll be the starter for the duration of the season.

Still same thoughts?

If I felt solid that he would be the starter for the entire season, I would have no problems having him as my #1 quarterback this year. I usually take my quarterbacks fairly late, just before all the above average guys are gone.

That said, I am hearing many rumors that the Raiders are planning on having Walter our there at some point this season, and starting. That right there scares me off from drafting this guy unless it is a very late pick.

Nano, I can understand the difference from FF starter to NFL starter, but one of my bad fantasy points is that I tend to stay away from guys who I dont like on the field. I find it that much harder to root for someone I just dont have a lot of faith in.

As your first post shows, he does put up decent fantasy points every year, but I just dont like him, so I stay away.

I have that same problem with Fred Taylor. not so much now because he is declining, but I developed a hatred for the guy early in his career and vowed to simply never draft him.

I am probably one of the few who are high on Brooks this year. I agree, he has continually been a solid Fantasy Qb. I have won some leagues with him at Qb. I am high on him this year due to the off. they will run, the fixes at O-line they are working on...and the fact the run game will be solid and support him...he won't have to win games...which is what killed him last year. I am in Mike's camp as I usually take a Qb late..and will have him on my radar late in a draft.

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Are you not concerned about him holding the starting job all season? I know at this point it is merely rumors, but picking Brooks makes almost have to draft Walter as well, and if they indeed stick Walter in there at some point this season, the fantasy points are coming down.

More on Brooks and 'consistency'

Back to rankings with NO minuses for INTs/FUMs and 'consistency':
Brooks '04 (last full season)
0-9 ff pts...zero games
10-15...8 games
16-20...5 games
21-25...3 games
26+...zero games

Mcnabb '04
0-9 ff pts...3 games
10-15...4 games
16-20...zero games
21-25...2 games
26+...6 games

If anything Brooks is more consistent than Mcnabb was that year...you deal with Mcnabb's low games b/c of the number of high games, but with Brooks, he may not win a week but doesn't look to lose you one either.

Brady '05 (currently avg 3rd-4th qb taken)
0-9 ff pts...1 games
10-15...6 games
16-20...5 games
21-25...2 games
26+...2 games

Similiar to Brooks and Brady again, is 3rd-4th qb avg being taken. Again, it's about value of Brooks for where he's being taken, not comparing him as an NFL qb to Brady or Mcnabb.

No, I am not. I just read a blurb, where Walters is coming off shoulder surgery..or some injury issues. I don't think you go and sign a FA QB the money they did, for a 2 year deal, for him to sit. He will start, and be fine this year. Next year....I would worry greatly about Walters.

The only thing with that phicinfan, is that they have pretty much said this is really only a 1 year deal, then they will look to drop him. If they get to the midway point or somewhere after, and the team is not going anywhere, why would they not put Walter in?

I am not saying it is going to happen, just that it might.

Nano, great stats you are putting up there, but I would definitely take McNabb over Brooks because of those 6 games of 26+ points. Your saying that McNabb is less consistent, but he is still has less games with under 15 points then Brooks did. They also had the same amount of games over 16 pts, but with McNabb getting the higher ones. My question to you is; Would you draft Brooks before McNabb?

Comparing McNabb to Brooks, you have to factor something into '06 once you look at the '04 numbers.

McNabb is once again without a stud receiver, which I think knocks him down to average quarterback stats again.
Brooks now takes on the addition of a stud receiver in Randy Moss.

If I knew that Brooks was going to be the starter for 16 games, I would trade him for McNabb. My problem goes back to the rumors that keep popping up about the Raiders wanting to get Walter in the starting lineup this year.

See I have an issue with calling Moss a stud right now. He has to show me some of that old fire before I annoint him the position. if he is once again the stud, that will give Brooks an advantage over McNabb.

good point. He has been the victim of injuries the past couple years. I expect we will see him back to form this year though. That is just a hunch though.

The problem many have with Brooks is easy, he is a terriable real life QB that happens to be decent at accumulating stats, that transforms into a decent fantasy QB who is looking to be a great value this year. I personally think he is the dumbest starting QB in the league. But he also has no issues tossing the ball up and letting the WR's make plays (and DB's too). This transforms well with the likes of Moss and Porter. If Brooks starts all year, he could see the top 10 pretty easily, but concerns with the stability there and the depth of the mid tier QB's keeps him supressed in my rankings...still soemone I will have my eye on though.

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I have heard rumors of rookie QBs taking over for years. The problem is....the Owner doesn't believe in it. Neither does Shell. The ONLY way you see Brooks move out of the Starting job is:
A) he totally sucks...which I don't think he can in this system
B) He gets hurt...but all QBs have this risk.
C) They are totally out of it...but wait....that happened last year...and Walter got how many starts?

Plus Walter is coming off injuries.

Sorry, I don't think you will see Brooks leaving the starting job this year. Plus, knowing full well he is playing for a contract next year for Raiders or whomever...gives the extra incentive.

Again, I am not putting him in Brady or Manning or Culpepper of old area. I am saying though that if I draft right, and get my stud backs and stud recievers...I would be willing to do that to take him as a later round chance.

Thought this news item might stip up some more conversation about Brooks.

NFL News » Blog Archive » Raiders QB Brooks To Be On “Short Leash”?

Honestly, doesn't really change anything for me. Fact is...every single writer will post a similar article in any QB questionable situation.

The thing I keep coming back to are these key issues:
Show me the last time Oakland ever started a rookie QB? Like it or not...Walter is still a rookie in their eyes..and mine due to the injury last year and not being able to participate.
Secondly, why pay big FA dollars to get Brooks...if you won't use him?

As I said...if I can stock up on WR's and Rbs...and a key Te...i would be willing to use Brooks and will probably win.