And the other Wilson that everyone keeps forgetting about is ready to start his third.

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yeah, dont forget giblet

Yeah Giblet the one who came out of nowhere and put your boy to shame.

I didn't forget about the other Wilson.

Owen was great in 'Wedding Crashers' and the voice over in 'Cars' and his performance in Zoolander was highly under-rated.

im not a numbers guy on defense. ive played IDP before. you draft safeties from teams like arizona and detroit because their front 7 sucks so much that the safeties end up leading the league in tackles.

i can honestly say i havent seen adrian wilson play, because arizona isnt ever on tv. and gibril i sadly dont know who he is, but im guessing giants perhaps?

all i know is ive seen both polamalu and reed play in many games. and they are both game changers on defense. they carry a lot of swagger, they get everyone else on defense going, and they make the big plays when they need to be made.

on defense, stats dont always tell the whole story. teams double team the best pass rushers. kevin williams is at worst one of the best 5 DTs in the league and only had like 4 sacks last year, but that didnt make him any less dominant. and the best corner i ever saw would get like 11 tackles and 5 picks a year, because QBs didnt even dare throw to his side of the field more than once or twice a game. his name was deion, in case that wasnt clear.

safeties are the QBs of a defense imo. stats cant tell the whole story, because the intangibles are as important there as anything. kerry collins had almost 4000 yards and over 20 TDs last year i think, but no one would have said he was even one of the top 10 QBs in the league. manning is far and away the greatest QB and offensive mind in the game. for me to watch a guy like troy polamalu single handedly disrupting that entire flow last year for peyton was astonishing. the way troy just made the game flow through him, and popped in and out of the box, and changed every single play, it was crazy.

maybe the wilsons are like that too. maybe theyre in the QBs head every moment of every play. all i know is that troy and ed are like that.

a few years ago, the vikings were rumored to be trading randy moss and anyone who knows me knows i was not a fan of trading the most talented WR to ever play the game. once, though, there were rumors of trading him for ed reed. i drooled in my sleep for weeks at that prospect. he is in my opinion the #1 defensive impact player in the league -- ie, if i was starting a team and could pick anyone, he would be it. i can make a case for a handful of others... there are a couple other safeties, there are a few LBs like urlacher, and a few linemen. but reed would still be my pick if i could have anyone. and thats why the vikings, even with all sorts of talent on D, still havent put it together imo -- our safeties and mlb are weak, and we simply dont have a "QB" on defense to fire everyone up and get going. and until we do, we'll still be another mediocre defense.

so theres my rambling about safeties. i'll have to keep an eye out for the wilsons this season and watch them in action, see if they affect the games as much as troy or ed.

I think you will find that they absolutely do.

To give you a little perspective on Gibril (yes Giants), he was not even known by anyone when he stepped onto the field in 2004. He came in due to an injury and never looked back. As soon as he stepped onto the field you could feel a change come over the Giants defense. He had 3 int's in his first six games to go with 40 tackles. He is a playmaker who hits like a truck and is not afraid to mix it up with anyone.

Since we're just jawwing I agree that, especially with defensive players, stats don't tell the whole story...really have to see guys play.

Bomb, brings up safeties with suck ass front 7's...another is MLB with weak front 4s.

MLB will put up huge tackle numbers...but unless you watch you don't know (1) that it's b/c the front 4 was getting ran up, down, over and (2) that of the MLBs 18tackles, 8 were catching a rb from behind after letting him get by/carry the MLB for 5-10yds.

Which is why it's hard unless you watch the games to depend on stats with AWilson or Polamalu.

Wilson plays on a weak d, so some would think his numbers inflated b/c he'll get all the tackles. But watching the kid play (get them for niner games, default NFC west games, sports bars) he always seems around the play, making things happen.

On the opposite end is Polamalu who some would say benefits from being on a solid defense, but despite that if you watch him play he also seems to always be in the thick of things all over the field.

I totally agree Nano, both of these guys, actually all of these guys are some of the best in the league IMO. It would actually be very hard to seperate them.

WOW bit suprised with the Ardian Wilson comments, I got to say i don't know a lot about him so I overlook him b/c of this. Hoever, stats don't tell the story here. Of course Wilson is going to have more tackles then Troy P or Reed, compare the front 7's in front of the 3. There are simply more tackles available for Wilson due to poor up front play, not the case with the others. With Reed, it funny how quickly we forget the dominace of someone when they are injured. Reed is a developed, dominate and balaced force that wrecks havoc on opposing offenses. He can hit like a truck, and cover like a CB. Get the ball in his hands and he makes things happen. This guy is one year removed from beiung the NFL's Defensive Player of the year, not DB of the year, DEFENSIVE PLayer of the Year! These other guys are good players, and can put up stats, but OC's don't gameplan against them in the same way that they do Reed. Troy P & Roy W have huge coverage problems, and A. Wilson looks to be the stat benefactor of a poor overall D. Maybe he is better then I give him credit for, but I don't think there is anyway that he affect a game they Reed does when healthy. The Bengals have to see him twice a year, and he is easily the one guy in the division from a defensive standpoint that scares me. He can affect a game that much!

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I am NOT taking anything away from Reed. I agree he is a great player, but you also just cant discount Wilson just because his front seven sucks. There are plenty of other Safeties whose front seven suck, yet they dont lead the league iin tackles or sacks from the DB position. He is a very good player and is always around the ball carrier.

oh, don't get me wrong Taz, I am not taking away that he is a very good player, but the best stats in this case don't point out the best player IMO. Arian has to ber a beast to put up those kinds of numbers, but at the same time, the opportunities his front 7 provides allows him to get more tackles then Reed, there simply are not the opportunities for Reed with Lewis and the other in front of him.

I have a feeling if you poll all 32 teams and let them pick either Reed or Wilson to join their team for a year without considering salary, Reed would be the choice by at least 25 teams, I'd be shocked if there were 7 teams that picked Wilson to be honest.

No Im sure that wouldn't happen.





Some would take Gibril, lololololol.

I would take Wilson, then Roy williams.

I would consider Giblet around 4th or 5th.

other then fantasy IDp nuts, I can't see why anyone would take Wilson over a guy 1 year removed from being the league defensive MVP.

So basically using that thinking, you wouldn't take any QB over Steve McNair in this years draft, except possibly Peyton since he tied with McNair a couple of years ago as league MVP?

Stats don't always tell the story for defensive players. Dawkins stats have dropped through the years because teams avoid him. The same will happen to Reed and all the other young guys when offensive coordinators get through testing them and start avoiding them altogether.

WOW, reach of the focking year! For 1, were not talking fantasy football, were talking NFL, real impact, real world. Just b/c Wilson is valuable in fanatsy, doen't mean he is the best on the field. The McNair reach is so out in left field, It's not even worth my time to reason with you on it. If you can't see this difference on your own, reason won't help you. However, there is a certain relevence you can draw from it, McNair was a much better real life QB then fanatsy QB back then, and was one of the top QB's despite not having the best stats.

Step away from geek stat world for just one second and look solely at if you were the Giants GM and could sign either one of these guys for this year, you can't honestly tell me you would sign Wilson over Reed, don't believe that for a second. now if I'm in a fantasy IDP draft and have my choice of the 2, I'll take Wilson. But that's not the question we are discussing.

First of all I accomplished what I wanted to, that reaction, lol.

Second of all I am probably the farthest person you know from being a geek stat boy, as I walk into every draft the same way, with nothing in front of me.

I am just trying to get your gander up. Of course I think reed is the better playmaker, but I love to get you excited, lol.