Phicinfan provides our "Fire" for Green Bay Packers Quarterback, Brett Favre


Brett Favre - Fire

From my esteemed counterpart:

Here are some facts about Brett Favre that have been overshadowed by his league-high 29 interceptions:

Favre finished first in the NFL in pass attempts and completions.

He finished third in the NFL in passing yardage.

He also tied for tenth in passing touchdowns.

I also agree with him, that last year the Packers were devistated by losses on the line and at Rb and Wr. In fact at one time he was playing with his 4th option at rb and only had ONE wr you could name.

However, things change. I won't deny the obvious, losing a top flight wr like Walker hurts. I would say though that the pain was felt last year, not this year, as they can plan to survive without him. Actually, the loss that probably hurt the most was Bubba franks in the endzone. Favre and Bubba get alot of love in those areas. This year though, its a new look and a new offense. So....that makes Favre more a risk...right?

No, I actually like Favre more and here is why:
1) Pride, this guy does incredible things when his pride are on the line. The game he played after his father died was incredible. This could very well be his last season, and he wants to go in a blaze of glory.
2) Injuries, Rbs are back and healthy, Driver is healthy, Ferguson is back and just as importantly Bubba is back. Getting all those options, plus some added bonus with some good looking rookies at wr...and the options just look beter.
3)Off. line, they lost both starting guards last year, with no real plan to replace them. This year they have the guards back, but more importantly they drafted a future tackle to play guard, so running on that side will be a benefit.
4) Green, Gado, Davenport are all back, and healthy. A running game, something they didn't have last year, will only help Favre.

I am not saying he will be a top 5 Qb. I am saying that in his career, Favre has averaged over 25tds and over 3800yds a season. Last year injuries devistated this team. This year, the players are back, a new zone blocking scheme is in, and a defense that will allow alot of pts...so Favre will be putting it up to win...will lead to alot of pts for your team. I would not be surprised at all if he is top 10 again this year. Last year was a fluke.

Zach provides our "Ice" for Green Bay Packers Quarterback, Brett Favre


Brett Favre - Ice

Here are some facts about Brett Favre that have been overshadowed by his league-high 29 interceptions:

Favre finished first in the NFL in pass attempts and completions.

He finished third in the NFL in passing yardage.

He also tied for tenth in passing touchdowns.

These numbers sound like an opening argument for a positive prognostication. Not so fast. It’s easy to dismiss the interceptions because Favre’s thrown more than 20 in a season five times. He’s a risk-taker, and more often than not those risks resulted in turnovers.

The Packers had a horrid running game last year. The defection of both starting guards and a devastating number of injuries to running backs led to a team that finished 30th in rushing and 31st in yards per carry. The Packers started two guys in 2005 that weren’t on the team’s roster on opening day. This is just a long way to say that the running game will be a lot better in 2006, which means fewer chances for Favre.

You’d think that the Packers would have made some serious offensive upgrades for what might be Favre’s swan song. The Pack downgraded on the OL, losing center Mike Flanagan, and using a second-round pick on an undersized tackle from Boise State. Re-signing Ahman Green, William Henderson, and Najeh Davenport helped, but losing Javon Walker did not. The team let Antonio Chatman, who finished second in receptions, go as a free agent. The three drafted wideouts aren’t going to help Favre this year. The passing game is Donald Driver or bust, as it was in 2005.

It’s a rebuilding year for the Packers. With that in mind, Favre’s going to have more than his share of 300-yard games. I don’t expect him to get too many three-touchdown games, and because of that I can’t recommend drafting Favre as anything other than a backup for your fantasy team.

yes heaven forbid i have a QB who has a fair share of 300-yard games and only a few 3-TD games. favre had three such 3-TD games last year, like mcnabb. only two less than peyton manning and three less than palmer. thats also 1 more than hasselbeck and eli, and 2 more than bulger. ouch. favre must be a terrible QB with so few 3-TD games. i dont know how i could ever make it through a whole season with a QB who threw 2 TDs a game for only 32 total the WHOLE season.

Is the 32 you are referring to touchdowns or interceptions? Cause he came a whole lot closer to 32 interceptions last year that he did touchdowns.

After a year where they let their guards go, what did they do to fix it for 2006? They let their center go.

How can anyone project 32 touchdowns, or even an improvement from the 20td/29int season last year?

i was referring to zach's asinine statement that he cant recommend favre as a fantasy QB because he doesnt think he'll have too many 3-TD games this season. i can handle being down on favre, but his "logic," if i may call it that, was absolute crap. he concedes that favre will have a lot of yardage but says that he doesnt expect many 3-TD games. so what if he only has three such games like last year, the worst year of his career, and then throws for 2 in all the rest? that gives him 35 TDs. you dont pick a QB for the two or three really big games each year, or else michael vick would be a first rounder every season. the logic just wasnt there at all.

Oh, he'll have plenty of 3-TD games, the problem being that he'll be throwing them for the other team. If treason were part of the NFL charter, he'd have gotten the firing squad a long time ago.

People who draft Favre are counting on a few three-touchdown games. That's the only way that he'll have any value, because the three-interception games are a lock. The two or three three-TD weeks won't make up for the eight one-TD, two INT games.

I stand by my comments.

Actually, reference to Favre's games that he throws 3+ touchdowns is very important...especially for projections guys that take inconsideration that in the past five years he has 4-5 of those such games. Also, last year was the first time since 2000 that he had more than 4 games with no touchdowns, but found the ball in the other teams hands (he had six in 2005). I am not saying that Favre is a terrible quarterback, I actually believe he is one of the best to grace the gridiron. I would definitely draft him as my backup quarterback to Carson Palmer this year. However, to assume that his receiving corps and offensive line is good enough to keep him a consistent and productive Fantasy scorer is ridiculous. I really wonder how many teams had him starting for them in the Championship game when he tossed for 317 passing yards and 4 interceptions...and absolutely no TOUCHDOWNS. That is something that many FF owners will remember coming into drafts this season...no?

For this season, I will not even put Favre on my list. There is just too much turmoil with that team, and especially the offensive line that will make me want to stay away.

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I will definately be one of those who sit back and let someone else take the risk. I can't see anything that has happened to this team during the off-season that suggests the passing game will be any better this year.

so by your math...

8 games of 1 TD = 8 TDs
3 games of 3 TDs = 9 TDs
5 games of 2 TDs = 10 TDs

thats 27 TDs over the season, plus the 3800 yards you are conceding because they'll be playing from behind a lot.

and yet youre not willing to take a chance on him in the 10th round?

i usually play in leagues with no negatives, and 3800/27 would make favre a top 5 QB or higher. a better season than peyton manning last year actually. and even if you add in -1 for picks, that still leaves favre in the top 10 becuase hes only going to have about 10 INTs more than your average QB at most.

favre was 10th in TDs last year and 3rd in passing yardage, in the worst year of his career by far. he was also playing with an absolutely decimated RB corps, WR corps, and OL corps all by injuries. yet even with all that, favre still finished in the top 10 in both major passing categories, and he finished in the top 10 in fantasy QBs because of that.

and he'll do it again until he retires.

but hey, if 13 straight years of being a top 10 (or much better) fantasy QB arent enough, then i don't know what will be.

I have more doubts based on how committed he really is. After all that crap about staying, leaving, staying, leaving, etc.... I just have a bad taste in my mouth about him this year.

hasnt that been true like 2 or 3 years in a row already? wasnt it true the year before he led the league in TDs a couple years ago?

I don't see anywhere that he is being projected to throw a touchdown in every game this year.

I tend to look read those words and see something more like this:

8 games of 1 TD = 8 TD's
2 games of 3 TDs = 6 TD's
3 games of 2 TD's = 6 TD's
3 games of 0 TD's = 0 TD's

There is your 20, keeping him dead on with last year.

Anf for your bulk of 1 touchdown, 2 INT games, if you are getting 6 points a td and losing 3 per INT, you are depending soley on yardage, which is going to yeild you 8-9 points a game very often. Not the kind of points I would want from my starting quarterback.

who in the crap is playing in leagues with -3 for INTs? never heard of that in my life. my comments very clearly refer to leagues with no INT penalty.

also, im not too worried about a ton of 0 TD games. last year was rough and until the stretch run when the team was just kaput, favre still only had 1 such game. in his previous FOUR years starting, he had just THREE 0-TD games. im not picking those stats anyways, just interpretting what zach is saying is such a bad year for favre.

No penalties for interceptions? No wonder you love the pickmeister.

I will have to recheck, but I dont think I am in any leagues that dont penalize interceptions.

well the IBL is the best of the best for any league ive ever played in, and its never had any negative scoring. ive been in a couple with negative scoring before, but thats usually with -1 for picks and 6 for all TDs, so its pretty negligible.

IBL is far from a normal league though. It is possibly the goofiest setup I have ever been involved with.

WCOFF takes a point away for an INT, gives 4 for a TD
zealots takes 2 points for an Int, gives 6 for a TD