It appears the democrats are trying to come up with some kind of of resolution to bridge the gap of disagreement regarding the abortion laws.

Not to anyones suprise, it is being met by a solid brick wall, as conservatives seem to be strong in their opinions of abortion and dont plan on doing any "negotiating".

Here is where I probably ride the fence, being considered conservative, although I dont actively practice being conservative or liberal. I dont agree with abortion in most cases, but I dont have a problem with abortions when it comes to rape/abuse victims. Beyond that, I cant find any way of supporting abortion. Now, a typical conservative is not going to support abortion in any way, shape, or form, at least publically.

First, here is the link on the latest discussions talking about the inability of both sides to negotiate on this matter
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,149134,00.html

Read it, post your own links to this current even if you want, and give your thoughts to the situation.

As a medical professional, I have no problem with early term abortion when the baby is not viable. These problems can be easily discovered via routine pre-natal exams, early in the pregnancy. I object to abortion on demand or simply for convenience of the mother.

what about a RAPE victim, what are your thoughts there? If she doesnt not want to give birth to the child, and definately does not want to raise the child should she be relegated to adoption, or is abortion ok to you in this case?

Sorry. I should have been a bit clearer. I have no problems with 1st term abortions, when the child is not viable or in cases where attacks on the mother were made. Rape and incest are 2 of these situations. Rape has traumatized the woman enough and forcing her to carry the child would only serve to remind her of the attack. Incest can allow genetic deformaties that run in families (recessive genes) to show up more often. This is why it is against the law for close relatives to marry in ouor country.
In both of these instances, the abortion should be performed early in the first trimester, when the procedure is simple and relatively painless. A D&C will do the job in these cases and this is a routine procedure with few risks.

Of course not being conservative I thus beleive in freedom...something this country USE to stand for. If a woman wants to have an abortion that is her business and not the governments.

This belief sounds perfectly reasonable (and conservative ) if you didn't consider that it is murder. We are free in this country to speak our minds, make our choices, but not to commit murder. Abortion whether early or late, is murder.

MOJO - I don't believe it should happen even if a woman was raped.

Catman - What do you mean when say "when the child is not viable"?

PP, there are certain defects that make the baby inviable. These massive defects, ancephaly (no brain) for example and there are others, make the child incapable of living outside the womb. They are detectable through routine pre-natal exams as early as the 2nd month of pregnancy.
Also, there are instances where the mother should not become pregnant. Diabetic women, and those with some other conditions, may have difficulties with their health because of pregnancy. These women are not able to carry a child to term,without endangering both parties.
It is a tough call that parents and their medical personnel must discuss and weigh the options. There are some cases where the pregnancy should be terminated.
This said, I do not believe in late-term (partial birth) abortions in any case.

Well thats because it clearly isnt murder.
Check that...see Conservatives and the FCC

Yeah, yeah, blah, blah, blah...

...see Democrats and the FCC

What are you talking about? Its conservatives on the FCC that want to censor free speech. Have you been asleep the past 4 years?

Obviously, there are exceptions to this thinking - See Zepp, for example.

Be nice now.......

LOL, that's like calling a garbage man a "sanitary removal specialist".....you're a bedpan changer, and your opinion isn't worth a turd I flushed earlier today.

In defense of catman, even though nurses do change a lot of bed pans they also know a lot of stuff medically. They are basically doctors assistants so they have to know what theyre doing.

Thank you Zepp, Buck must have had his advances spurned by a nurse previously and he hates them with a passion. Unfortunately for him, his knowledge of medical procedures is similar to his knowledge of other areas -- non-existant.
Nice try Buck, but leave the feud (hard to have a feud when you are never, never right isn't it?) on another board and play nice here.

BTW cat.....you said on a different message board that you have higher morals than I do.

I would never support the killing of a healthy baby....even if it was conceived during a rape, that's not the babies fault.

You have stated that you do support that. Shame on you. And I thought Christians were supposed to have higher morals than non-Christians. I guess you're an example of another that is not a "real Christian"?

Right here is the crux of this argument. HERE with all the spewing of crap is why this has become such a huge issue.

The argument is quite simple. When should life be stated as starting. IF you believe as I, that life begins AT conception, then to purposely END that life, unless for the safety or health of the mother is premeditated murder. You are purposely planning and ending a life against its wishes....period.

However there are many who argue life doesn't begin there. Due to THIS argument, you can't apply the law as far as murder or for that matter argue the morality of it, since those who feel this way don't feel any moral crisis.

I have stated before, I am against abortion unless the mothers life is at risk. I understand in cases of abuse, and rape that "forcing" the mother, or victim to have the child seem cruel. One COULD argue that their mental instability could reach into the risk of life for the mother, but I am no psychological expert, and can't defend that. I keep coming back to the fact that why the baby was created isn't its fault. AS such, even in cases of rape, why are we allowed to punish the innocent(the fetus) for the acts of a criminal?

I support the right of the mother to do what she feels is necessary for her mental and physical health if a pregnancy is the result of a rape or incestious relationship. Thank you for continuing to show your ingnorance and intolerance, Buck. By the way, it appears that my morals are still far higher than yours are and this is likely to remain the case. One more thing, Buck -- the percentage of abortions in this country that are the result of a rape is incredibly low. To allow the mother to chose to terminate a pregnancy that was the result of a violation of her dignity is proper, if it is the best for her mental health.
Phicinfan has stated the case well and a rape victim is under special pressures. Psychological intervention is necessary to determine what is best to allow her to move on with her life in a healthy manner. Forcing her to continue a pregnancy that was the result of such an act may not be good for her.

Correction. Its not when life started its when human life has started. When that clump of cells can be considered a human being. Again if I take a dump there is life in that dump it doesn't mean that it should be awarded constitutional protections.

Thats a contradiction. If you believe that a recently joined human egg and sperm is a human being then killing it under any circumstances is murder. You cant say its ok to murder here and not ok to murder there.
You stated above that if her life and health were at risk. Well mental health falls under this category and if that is the case then you can have abortions in almost any circumstance depending on how the mother feels it would affect her mental health.
Easy for you to say since you won't have to live with a living reminder of the worst day of your life.

You know...I wondered how long it would take for you to jump on.......hater.I stand in agreement. It is when it is recognized as HUMAN life as the issue.



No, and only YOU would see it as thus. Even the Catholic church has stated that in times of crisis for the mother(health) an abortion can be okay. It is not just taking life, it is a decision of which life to save. Not even the church would say you HAVE to die to save a life.


No, I don't agree here. Yes, in some cases, the fact of pregnancy does cause mental instability, and thus may cause the woman to consider commiting suicide or god forbid take it out on the child. If a Psychologist give that medical opinion, then I suppose yes, an abortion would be in order. However, it should NOT be up to the mother alone.


No, I don't. However, I HAVE talked to many women who have gone through abortions and now are having many psychological issues over the guilt of killing that child. Funny how no one wants to look at that side though.