and that's exactly why taking Stanton would make good sense here, considering that the Browns have already picked up two very specific need areas already in this mock by taking Thomas at T and Tyler at DT.........

Look Mr. Thin-Skin, we all know you can quote 15 different sites and probably get 10 different takes on whichever player or team you're addressing. You have certain ones that you trust and so do I. The reason I prefer PFW's MAGAZINE each year is that it is one of the first to hit the streets and portrays the players' college body of work without being tainted either way by the Senior Bowl or Combine.
I happen to also think Fox sports is right up there with Mr. iPod as far as credibility, but that's neither here nor there.
It's the 3rd round anyway, so margin of error is increasing incrementally. Weddle is a perfectly fine selection here. Just be careful about trumpeting his stellar character as your perceived strength when I provided evidence to the contrary, that's all. No need to get defensive man, this is NOT REAL. LOL

I had Beekman rated as a 2nd round-type talent. You hit it with the versatility evaluation. Plus BC has been an underrated pipeline of solid NFL lineman over the past few years.

So who is exactly filling their Crater like Gap at QB?? At this point, no one, that is why i can't fault this pick. You say they need a vetern to teach the young guys they have, ask Jeff Garcia how that worked out for him!! They tried that once, didn't work too well. I can't find fault in bringing in another young QB to compete and letting one if not both of the bums they have go. You can still bring a vet in if you want, but you also need a young QB with some promise, they don't surrently have one of those on the team right now.

Garcia failed due to the o-line and lack of talent with him. You can profess all you want on need of a Qb, if the O-line and the talent sucks around him, Stanton is the next Carr.

Reality folks....you need some perspective on reality. I am no expert, but I have read alot of material where Crennel is on short time thread here. I also read where Cleveland is trying even harder to get Trent Green. Frye or Anderson may not be Peyton Manning. But...give Cleveland OL depth, Adrien Peterson, and another wr other than Edwards, and you can be Trent Dilfer and win a title.

Oh...and I am not that high on Stanton either...

I like the Beekman pick

Did you just ignore the Thomas pick, or choose to not address it b/c it doesn't fit your argument. Look at the big picture of this mock and not at the one pick in a vaccum. This is a mock, and in this mock Cleveland has addressed the need for a franchise LT (Thomas), and nice DT, they have already added Steiney via FA, so again, why is a QB a bad move here???? They have SHIT there at the current moment and you can't assume that Green will turn up there, if he is not there when the draft occurs, you have to get one IMO. if he is, then you can make a small argument against, but I think you still need to bring in some youth. The QB's they have are 3rd QB's at best in the NFL.

As far as this comment:
Sop it man..... ...no really, stop it...... your killing me here.....it's hurts to laugh that hard...

Last time I checked...you need TWO OTs and Gs. Not one. Also, the C position was an absolute round robbin of who can I get at the last minute. No, Einstein, I didn't ignore it...I was just commenting on the fact it isn't enough. Satisfied?

Step away from the mirror..and catch your breath...

Laugh all you want. If you want to fix Cleveland's offense, Peterson and OL is the way. If they can get Thomas.....then there is some excellent rb depth here other than Peterson. Jamal Lewis isn't the answer...nor is ONE tackle and one FA guard.

Personally, I think the thoughts on Charlie Frye not being an NFL caliber quarterback is completely bogus. Everyone gave David Carr half a decade of failure, and still cling to him being somebody on a better team.

Lets not forget that the Browns offensive line is just as bad as the Texans. Do you recall just how many different rotations of offensive lineman started games for the Browns this year? It was different almost every week because the team was trying to simply patch an offensive line together all season. The running game sucked as well, a big part do to the fact that the offensive line was probably the worst in the league.

That said, I like the Stanton pick. He can be a good backup for Frye this year, and could quite possibly challenge and take the starting spot from him. I think it would be excellent competition.

Love the Beekman pick. If Dallas can secure a cornerback in the first round this year, I would love for them to take Beekman with their 2nd round pick, but I don't think he will even drop that far in the 2nd. Great value in the third round.

Phicinan, I see alot of what you are saying, but one thing is just killing me right now. You are probably the most down on any player that has a history of injury problems, but for some reason, feel like Adrian Peterson is going to do great things for Cleveland.

This guy has been banged up most of his college career, and for the life of me, I can't understand why this gets overlooked by you or anyone else. What sign has this guy given that he is going to be remotely healthy at the NFL level when he can't even stay healthy on a college football field with a dominant team playing against cream puffs most of the season.

Cleveland has a running back, that given a nice offensive line, could do good things for them. They drafted him last year, but he simply hasn't had any resemblance of a hole to run through.

It was the win a title comment in a discussion about Cleveland that had me laughing so hard it hurt!

And yes, they could still use more depth on the Oline, but they could also use a QB, period. I also don't consider RB a need for them at this point. Lewis will be a fine stop gap that should allow them to address more pressing needs on thsi team.

If you're referring to Jerome Harrison, you're right. The nice things are converting 3rd down screen passes/draw plays and excelling in the return game. But he's the perfect proverbial "lightning" to Lewis's "thunder"

How is it you can twist every thread topic around to bash the guys you have a meanie-Jones for?


You LOVE Jarrett and Revis and DESPISE A.P. and Carr.
We get it already, I promise... time to deal with the demons and move on. LOL

P.S. - I heart you

I can't fault Cleveland for not trying to address their line. Let's not forget they have one of the top Centers in the league, who simply can't seem to avoid freak injuries.

And laugh if you want, but I'll maintain that Anderson is more athletic and has a better chance to succeed than Frye, given some better skill guys. They may also need to draft a new TE of the future at some point in this draft.

Not going to laugh at that one, he vary well could, but I don't think either should be anywhere near starters in the NFL at this point in their careers.

Honestly, I think it was the freakish nature of Peterson's injuries that give me hope. I see him as a game changer....IF he stays healthy.

Honestly, I know I am in the minority here....I would love to see Cleveland get either Thomas or Johnson in the first. If they get either one...you can target Rb later...as there are a few I am really high on ...that most are not(Irons and Rb from Penn State come to mind...). But yes, I usually do dog players if they are injury riddled, so I do understand your point of view on him.

Okay, okay...the title thing was too far.

Again, I will agree to disagree with you. You simply can't keep picking and putting young Qbs in..and hope one developes...when you have only ONE wr, and no OL. It just doesn't work. IMO, and evidently it is only my opinion....I would rather see a rebuilt line, a super talent at wr or rb, and some work on defense and live with a guarded game with Frye or Anderson...then seeing them start all over with Stanton.

Oh...did I mention I wasn't that high on Stanton?

Remember Julius Jones, and all the talk about him and his injuries the first two years in the NFL? First year was a collarbone, second year was an ankle injury that lasted most of the season.

Now look at Adrian Petersons last two seasons. Same injuries, just flip flop when they happened. Once got the collarbone injury one year, then the nagging ankle injury the next year. The other got the ankle injury one year, then the collarbone injury the next year.

And I am not discounting injuries at all, or saying that Peterson is not worth a top 5 pick because of them. But, just about everybody here will talk down about a player that has two consecutive years of injuries and use the words "injury prone" constantly. (and for the record, this is two significant shoulder injuries for Peterson now, one on each. and his ankle injuries are considered chronic, as they have been an issue with him since high school)

(and I won't even mention a possible bigger concern, which is 17 fumbles, or the other knock that he stands almost straight up running the ball, which is not good for a 6'2" running back. )
*ok, I had to throw in a Peterson Jab at the end, couldn't help it.

3.8 Minnesota - Anthony Spencer - DE - Purdue

by my count, i just snagged my third first round prospect. come on guys. dwayne jarrett, greg olsen, now spencer, its too bad this isnt really draft day. just checked a few mocks and saw him in the late first or high second in all of them. mcshay's espn mock has him at #21 to denver. he was third on my list for minnesotas last pick, and im flabberghasted that he fell this far, but whatever i'll take it.

a lot of people have him as a de/lb type. really, i wouldve taken him for arizona a couple picks ago as a good fit for them and their new pittsburgh coaches, but i had already used an earlier pick on jamaal anderson. some of the things ive read suggest spencer may not quite be athletic enough to play backer, and he certainly wouldnt for us, he would really just be an all purpose pass rusher. kenechi udeze has been a good run stuffer but awful against the pass. enter spencer, who could develop into a good DE starter. he had 26.5 tackles for loss and 10.5 sacks this year in a tough big ten. looks like a player on the rise who should well sneak in near the bottom of the first to me.

if i had taken him for minnesotas second round pick, i wouldve thought it was just about where he should go. but now it makes me real happy i splurged and went for the huge value in greg olson. man, i just cant even dream of coming away with these three on draft day lol. i just kept watching, waiting for my pick, figuring someone would break my heart right before and take him. and i must have checked like 15 times to see if he for SURE wasnt gone yet. oh well.

Damm you, I was hoping that he would fall untill the Titians. Great third round pick.

I believe that Charlie Frye has about a 10 cent head. I hung out with him and some other NFL players when I was at the SB. He knew I wrote for AOL. He said some things that well, a starting QB for the Browns shouldn't say. I could have totally dumped him in the grease publicly, but figured it wasn't worth trashing him to Browns fans just for the sake of web hits.

Let's just say I have a hard time seeing him as a leader of men or even oldish boys.